10-15-2020, 06:41 PM | #11 |
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Re: [Basic] Advantage of the Week: Gadgeteer
The actual invention you are manufacturing. Making it and fixing it is working with a higher technology.
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10-15-2020, 07:16 PM | #12 |
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Re: [Basic] Advantage of the Week: Gadgeteer
If the player doesn't buy at least Very Wealthy or a Patron with +100% equipment, they can't do much with ordinary gadgeteer. A player who wants to Uplift society needs at least Filthy Rich, which, like, if you're paying enough to do it why not? You can say no to that if that's not the sort of background you want for your PCs, but just take Gadgeteer off the table if so. It's not an adventuring advantage.
High TL + Gadgeteer would definitely require an Unusual Background for me, unless the campaign is on the cusp of that TL anyway. So, maybe one level in 2020, but no more. And unless we were using Wildcard skills, I'd require the lower TL skill as a pre-req - Just to prove that they're a "cutting edge" scholar on the topic. Quick Gadgeteer, by contrast, almost requires a Vow "Protect My Inventions from those who would use them ill" or "Non-Interference Clause". It's just kooky levels of powerful - Unless you're playing in a world like Girl Genius where everyone has it. |
10-15-2020, 07:20 PM | #13 |
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Re: [Basic] Advantage of the Week: Gadgeteer
Oh and I forgot. You don't get the price break on manufacturing the gear if the gadgeteer isn't there to use his gadgeteer advantage.
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10-15-2020, 07:22 PM | #14 | |
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Re: [Basic] Advantage of the Week: Gadgeteer
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Gadgeteer is a cinematic advantage and I treat it like Trained by a Master.
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10-15-2020, 07:38 PM | #15 | |
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Another thought: What sort of limitations would need to be applied to Gadgeteer to represent 1980s Action Inventors like MacGyver or the A-Team? Sure, they also need Serendipity to make sure that the bad guys lock them in the tool shed or the garage, or otherwise make sure that they have things to improvise with, but they do seem to have some form of Gadgeteer. At minimum, I would say that they cannot invent anything of higher TLs (at least in the case of those two shows; the guy from Probe seems to be a more regular Gadgeteer or Quick Gadgeteer), but I'm not sure what that limitation would be worth, not whether it's the only one they'd need to have.
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10-15-2020, 07:45 PM | #16 |
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Re: [Basic] Advantage of the Week: Gadgeteer
The inventor doesn't have skill in the higher TL so he can't teach skill in the higher TL. He just has a superpower that lets him bend the limits of his TL that ordinary people don't have.
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10-15-2020, 08:00 PM | #17 | |
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That's either a pure setting switch (e.g. it fits Tinkers from the Worm/Ward setting, but not settings where Gadgeteers do raise the TL), thus entirely up to the GM/setting creator, or it's the kind of absolutist statement that requires either a direct quote from the book or a direct quote from Kromm to back up.
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10-15-2020, 08:10 PM | #18 | |
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10-15-2020, 08:43 PM | #20 | |
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If the gadgeteer doesn't have High TL and he isn't allowed to buy it and he can't recruit people who have it or are competent enough to deal with the penalties, than what you're actually saying is, "I have a special set of rules that I apply when the tech level goes up due to a gadgeteer that are unlike the way it ordinarily works when new tech enters the world". Which is fine, but that's a GM call, not RAW, and it kind of hobbles Gadgeteer. |
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