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Capt. Midnight. - Thanks for the goodies. That's great stuff.
As I am getting responces I finnd it incredible that the Imperium never saw a need to create a proper 'Intellegence Service'. I have to assume that there IS an I.I.S. its just so below the radar or it's like the N.S.A. and it 'does not officialy exist' (at least it did not from the time of it's creation untill the late 70's [I think]). As for Sec 97. I would sugest that if it's officialy 'Secret' that means if you discuss it you would be charged with relesing/leaking classified info. Thats all any one needs to say. Of couse they could be a 'Black' Operation and carry MOJ or Naval Intell ID and they just don't exist in any report or budget ect... For me I think they will be like the CIA. [And the roumor's that there is a secret Dept - That officialy doesn't exist - is of course absurd... :)] |
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02-20-2007, 06:42 PM | #24 |
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It just strikes me as a HUGE hole in the defence of the Empire. As a competantly run political entity it seems like a huge oversight.
I don't what modern countries did not have an intell service of some kind. However, seeing the sucesses of agencies such as the Mosad & KGB, states such as the 3rd Empire would be grossly incompetant not to have one. By 'Proper' I mean a general Intell Service. The Navy looks for military threats. MOJ looks for criminal threats. The IISS looks for ???. There is no political/General Intell Service. Last edited by Tinman; 02-20-2007 at 06:47 PM. |
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Neither the Roman, not the British Empire had anything like an Intelligent Service, since the concept hadnīt been invented yet.
The concept seems to have worked great in the 20th century, but perhaps that success didnīt carry on in the following centuries. I donīt know anything about it, but the concept might be dependend on a fast communications network - which is obviously missing in the Imperium as a whole. Or intelligence services have too often played major roles in intrigues or revolts, so that there would be no net benefit to the Imperium as a whole. Or there is a Secret Service, and it is working well, therefore we donīt know anything about it. Perhaps even the Emperor doesnīt know anything about it. It might be a conspiracy - Foundation, anyone ?
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So where is the most coherent description of Ine Givar?
I'd like to know for a game.
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04-17-2018, 10:41 AM | #28 |
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As originally presented the Ine Givar were freedom fighters, a bit like the rebels in Star Wars.
They were fighting the corrupt Imperium to prevent it taking over direct rule of planets in frontier sectors like the Spinward Marches. Or at least that's how the early Traveller adventures presented things. Look to GDW JTAS TAS news articles in the early editions, A:1 Kinunir, 76 patrons for an Ine Givar sponsored adventure. |
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What does the IISS spy upon? Everything. But it's specialty seems likely to be open source intelligence. One of my high school acquaintances was really good at learning languages, and when he joined the Army they sent him to Russian language school. His main job in the Army wasn't listening to covertly gathered communications, it was to read and listen to open communications -- Soviet television, radio, newspapers, public government documents, etc. -- and write reports on them for analysts to combine with covertly collected information. Or maybe he translated covert sources too, but didn't talk about that because he wasn't supposed to. In any case, there's a lot a good spy agency can learn without actually "spying" in the sense of gathering data covertly. |
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04-17-2018, 07:58 PM | #30 |
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In the 1800s there was a lot of territory between Britain and Russia that was unknown and when it wasn't wilderness was controlled by princes no one knew much about. That is what I mean by comparing the IISS to the IPS. They do Great Game sorts of things.
The Imperial Archives might well have a subsection dedicated to intelligence analysis of reports from the differing agencies. Also don't forget there are plenty of places to hitch a black op too.
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