06-15-2011, 07:27 AM | #1 |
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Vulnerable strikers
When I was considering traits for a remodeled dragon template, I came to a bit of a hangup on the wings. Flight (Winged) states that you need Striker to be able to land blows with the wing. Okay, that makes sense. Most animals with wings can buffet with them, but GURPS is pretty clear that if you're striking with a part of the body that isn't an arm, leg, or your head, it's a striker. So that's simple enough.
It makes sense they'd do a good amount of damage. Wings look like poor striking surfaces, but they're still applying enough force to support the creature's weight (At least as much force as a leg doing a stamp-kick). Modified with Weak, and they're much like a kick. But that has the weird effect of making wings immune to damage when parrying or being parried. There isn't any modifier I can find to remove that, and searching didn't turn up anything. Personally, I've been using a -50% modifier to remove that trait while keeping the others, but was somewhat curious what others thought of it. I vaguely recall seeing it come up before, but I couldn't find anything. It is a good modifier to have, since it handles all manner of strikers that shouldn't be immune to damage any more than an arm or leg should. Tails, tentacles, etc. So do people think -50% is fair? Any thoughts? Did I miss it somewhere? :> |
06-15-2011, 07:39 AM | #3 |
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Re: Vulnerable strikers
That's a little odd, especially how it ends up being more expensive than an un-limited crushing striker, even. And allows all sorts of odd things that even non-manipulator arms could, like grappling.
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06-15-2011, 07:41 AM | #4 |
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Re: Vulnerable strikers
So you don't want to be able to envelop an enemy using wings? Oh well.
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06-15-2011, 10:25 AM | #5 |
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Re: Vulnerable strikers
Show me a winged creature that grapples with its wings and I might consider that "not totally crazy". Giving an enemy a golden opportunity to tear out my flight feathers or bite/claw my wing membranes seems like suicide.
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06-15-2011, 11:50 AM | #6 |
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Re: Vulnerable strikers
Winged monsters from a Lovecraft movie. The white alien monster from Dead Space. And I think wing attacks by dragons are reasonably common. Not realistic terran species, of course.
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06-15-2011, 12:05 PM | #7 |
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Re: Vulnerable strikers
How about statting them as legs? then they can kick. They're a bit inaccurate which seems fine and the bonuses to balance and resistance to tripping seem entirely reasonable.
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06-15-2011, 10:09 PM | #8 | ||
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Re: Vulnerable strikers
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Both of these are reasons why I think some limitation for Strikers would be very useful. |
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06-16-2011, 02:37 AM | #9 | |
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I would rule ... "Melee Attack: Treated as Unarmed Parry" at -10% seems reasonable. (Using a reversed "Melee Attack: Destructive Parry", from Powers, page 103, as the pricing guideline.) |
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06-16-2011, 07:00 AM | #10 | |
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Re: Vulnerable strikers
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You buy a striker with the Limb limitation, from Martial Arts, which means you don't get an EXTRA limb, you just upgrade an existing limb to "whatever kind of limb it was and it counts as a striker". So you can upgrade a leg or an arm (for example).
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