Hammer Downs... source?

[LokRobster]

I'm trying to locate a map of Hammer Downs for our 4th of July event. I believe it's used as a good example of why 3x scale is generally too big... so we're going to try it. The building my family usually gets for Independence Day is big with lots of empty tables :)

Even a hand-drawn [or mspaint] sketch of the shape of the arena and dimensions would be good enough!

Thanks,

[RogerBW]

The 1988 Arena Book (i.e. not the 5E one published in 2002) seems to be the source for this - and I don't have a copy. :-(

[Parody]

Hammer Downs takes up two map sheets, which is why it's inconvenient for 3x scale.

[Automohawk]

I looked through my stuff and couldn't find the arena book. But my Google skills found
http://www.princetongames.org/carwar...n2-event5.html .

It has some pics and optional arena rules but no set dimensions.

Oh yea...Hi bro, I finally decided to get a forum account here.
this is Chris btw

[Magesmiley]

In addition to the Arena Book, one of the ADQs had pictures of a 3-D version of the Hammer Downs that was built and used for the World Championships. I believe that Ken Scott mentioned that he built it.

A friend of mine and I actually were recently evaluating arenas to build in 3D. We were weighing 3x vs. 1x arenas and the biggest issue we saw was being able to reach the center of the battlefield. A typical person can only reach between two and three feet past their body, so if it is on a table, that really limits how far the center of the battlefield can be from the edge.

A single mapsheet arena at 1x scale measures 21" x 32". At triple scale that is 63" x 96" (or 5.25 feet by 8 feet). This is doable, but very big. The Hammer Downs is a two mapsheet arena, so it will be 10.5 feet by 8 feet, which isn't going to fit on a table, and even if you can manage it, you won't be able to reach a car in the middle.

One possible solution is to build the arena to be played on the floor and to be able to handle someone walking on it. We considered this pretty hard before finally concluding that 1x scale made a lot more sense.

We did decide to do the Hammer Downs, so feel free to ping me - we're going to probably be going through similar issues as we build it.

[Parody]

Originally Posted by Automohawk

I looked through my stuff and couldn't find the arena book. But my Google skills found http://www.princetongames.org/carwar...n2-event5.html.

This is Warrior Stadium from L'Outrance, not Hammer Downs. Warrior Stadium is a good choice for a 3D map for 1x-3x scale, as is the Rubberway (also from L'Outrance).

[MongolHorde]

If I recall, Hammer Downs is the one with the raised section around the outside, four ramps coming out of the center of each side with a jump over a pit in the middle, yes? Sometimes the pit has holographic flames? Ramps in the corners to allow duellists to get up to the second level?

If so, I *know* I've got it, likely in my CW box and I can dig it out tomorrow, snap some pics and link them up here.

Jason

[Automohawk]

Originally Posted by Parody

This is Warrior Stadium from L'Outrance, not Hammer Downs. Warrior Stadium is a good choice for a 3D map for 1x-3x scale, as is the Rubberway (also from L'Outrance).

oh....okay. Thanks for the correction. Obviously I don't know what it looks like. I did like the looks of that one, so if we cant find a good Hammer Downs layout maybe I can convince Lok to go with this one.

I so look forward to the Independence Day mayhem.

[ammulder]

Originally Posted by Parody

This is Warrior Stadium from L'Outrance, not Hammer Downs. Warrior Stadium is a good choice for a 3D map for 1x-3x scale, as is the Rubberway (also from L'Outrance).

Heh, heh... I guess that was my poor memory at fault. I have the Arena Book but not the maps any more, and they didn't include the little pics for the couple of arenas where the whole map was in the book. Guess I'll have to update that page... :)

[owenmp]

Autoduel Quarterly Vol. 6, No. 3 had a report of the 1988 AADA World Dueling Championship with photos of a 3-D Hammer Downs Autoduel Arena.

The Driver's Seat column in that issue included rules changes to the Hammer Downs Arena. I have reprinted that information below.




But recently, when building the 3-D model of Hammer Downs for the World Championships, we came across a problem in the Arena Book. The height of the upper level of Hammer Downs is listed as 30 feet high. Well, that's wrong - that puts the ramps in the corners at a 45-degree angle. So, due to massive earthquakes and subsidence in the Detroit area, the upper level has sunk into the ground and is now only 15' high. Now, vehicles within 1/2" if the edge may fire down at targets more than 1" away from the edge; they may shoot at the top armor of cars within 4" of the edge.

Stephen Beeman
The Driver's Seat
ADQ Vol. 6, No. 3
Fall 2038 (1988)