03-31-2021, 04:13 PM | #41 | |
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Re: How do you adjudicate initiating HTH?
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As you wrote, always handling HTH initiation as an action would avoid that. However it would also change some other things. What mainly comes to mind is, if you allow jumping people from behind during movement, then sometimes there's an interesting choice to seize an opportunity to do that when your side moves first. If HTH can only be an action, then to tackle someone from behind, you have to move second and hope they give you the chance, or have some other reason not to face you. |
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03-31-2021, 04:33 PM | #42 |
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Re: How do you adjudicate initiating HTH?
One of my complaints with the RAW for HTH is that they are not internally consistent; some HTH initiations happen in movement, and others happen in the action phase. While I've opted to make it all happen as actions, I must admit that it might be interesting to define all HTH initiations as moves, with the caveat that this would require tweaking the engagment rules, the options for engaged figures, and polearms. This clears up some of the confusion and allows for some interesting tactical nuances, but it still leaves a bit up in the air.
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03-31-2021, 07:45 PM | #43 | |
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Re: How do you adjudicate initiating HTH?
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04-01-2021, 01:53 AM | #44 | ||
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Making an approach during movement phase and stopping for any reason (including engagement) means you can't take option (o) during the action phase. It is now closed to you. "(o) ATTEMPT HAND-TO-HAND ATTACK. During the movement phase, the figure stands still or shifts"So if you want to attempt HTH on any turn you move, you have to end that movement in the opponent's hex as stipulated under option (b). There is no third option to start HTH combat. There is no way within the RAW to run up to an opponent, coming to a full stop one hex short, and then on the same turn resume that forward motion to attempt HTH during the action phase. Of course you could have a third option by house rule, or modify (b) and/or (o) by house rule -- please understand I'm not saying anyone can't play that way. All I'm saying is you can't call that RAW. Is the Turn Sequence violated because the defender's 1d6 roll to keep the enemy out of their hex can occur during either phase of the Turn? The actual combat actions in HTH, options (t), (u), and (v) don't occur outside the action phase. Only the roll to see if the defender repels the intruder entering their hex might occur in the movement phase. That's rather necessary to settle where the figures' counters will be at the start of the action phase. I hardly think that compromises the Turn Sequence.
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04-01-2021, 09:00 AM | #45 |
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Re: How do you adjudicate initiating HTH?
So you think the unstated intent was that you enter HTH from the front during movement phase for option (b) but during action phase (clearly stated) for option (o)? That seems irrational to me. A more reasonable explanation, in my opinion, is that the author got his wires crossed about how he really intended it to work and never got the two relevant rules passages into alignment with each other.
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04-01-2021, 09:33 AM | #46 |
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Re: How do you adjudicate initiating HTH?
Will SJ Himself be playing any TFT at Fnordcon? Could be a great opportunity to engage him on the question of HTH, so to speak. The question is how to initiate the conversation, and when?
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04-01-2021, 10:41 AM | #47 |
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Re: How do you adjudicate initiating HTH?
Questions to ask at the Saturday TFT panel:
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04-01-2021, 11:13 AM | #48 |
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Re: How do you adjudicate initiating HTH?
Let's not forget entering into HTH from the front using option (b) against an opponent with a set polearm.
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04-01-2021, 12:46 PM | #49 |
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Re: How do you adjudicate initiating HTH?
And, if the answers to the previous questions lean the issue toward the p. 117 passages, does that mean you don't stand behind the 'option (o)' explanation, which is clearly different?
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04-01-2021, 01:55 PM | #50 |
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Re: How do you adjudicate initiating HTH?
Or the Missile Weapon Last Shot.
I too believe it would be beneficial for the game to have an official clarification through some means - maybe a Hexagram article. If there are intended exceptions to rules, they are not laid out as well as the pole weapons and missile weapons exceptions. The interesting tactical nuances are what draw me to this game. I'd like to be sure I am playing as intended. |
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