"A Song of Ice and Fire" characters

[NineDaysDead]

Originally Posted by cosmicfish

This is ALWAYS a good idea when laying out a system of characters or templates.

So does anyone have any ideas on the stat rankings? Who has the highest IQ? HT? DX? Skills?

[NineDaysDead]

Originally Posted by cosmicfish

Just thought I would introduce a quick note on behalf of sanity - just because he performed a particular act of strength or proficiency once doesn't mean he can do it every time, or even usually. If he can do his "greatest" documented act with a critical hit, then that is all he needs to do.

Perhaps he could have the Power Blow skill?

[Langy]

Originally Posted by NineDaysDead

So does anyone have any ideas on the stat rankings? Who has the highest IQ? HT? DX? Skills?

The person with the highest IQ is probably Tyrion, though Tywin and Aegon (the Nightwatch meister) are both probably similar if not the same.

No idea about highest DX or HT, though.

[Gold & Appel Inc]

Originally Posted by NineDaysDead

So does anyone have any ideas on the stat rankings? Who has the highest IQ? HT? DX? Skills?

Tyrion definitely has a high IQ and is very well-read even for his status, Sarella Sand has forged three links at the Citadel in her first year as a novice (compare with Armen the Acolyte, who has more but averages one a year and seems very cocky about his intellect) while simultaneously pretending to be a boy, and Maester Aemon seems like a sharp and well-educated fellow, but I'd have to award highest in the setting to Varys, maybe tied with Olenna Tyrell. Everybody who has finished ADWD and comprehended the full scope of his plot with Illyrio knows how brilliant (and ambitious) that guy is, and he has never had a slip in his plans that wasn't caused by completely unpredictable external forces that he nevertheless immediately moves to skillfully counter. Olenna pretty much single-handedly makes all of her son's absurd pie-in-the-sky dreams come true (so far), sets up the best assassination in the series, and is at least as witty as Tyrion when trading conversational barbs, plus her fool doubles as a bodyguard and a white noise generator.

HT is hard to read from text, of course, but I think we can safely assume that Greatjon Umber is an epic badass in this department. He casually laughs off a crippling wolf-bite to the hand, and not only survives the Red Wedding but manages to kill a guy and bite another guy's ear off before he goes down after drinking with Merrett Frey (a raging alcoholic with a liver made out of shoe leather, specifically tasked with getting the Greatjon too drunk to fight, and a very sturdy man himself - his mother was a Crakehall) all night. Runner-up: Strong Belwas, who has let every man he has ever killed cut him once without dying of infection, and who eats an entire bowl of poisoned locusts that were supposed to kill Daenerys in a few bites with nothing more than vomiting and an incapacitating bellyache as the consequences.

Loras Tyrell is a DX monster. The kid is shown to be talented as all get-out at everything physical he attempts, from riding to almost every knightly weapon I can think of (especially the lance, to enable the double entendre lulz, but he also kills two of his fellow Rainbow Guards, supposedly some of the best fighters in his very large faction, at the same time with a sword, and chooses a morningstar when he storms Dragonstone). We never see him lose in melee except once each against Gregor Clegane and Brienne of Tarth, who were both highly-skilled in their own right, much bigger than he is, and functioning in a blind apocalyptic rage at the time. Syrio Forel is a likely candidate to be up there as well, but he could also be chalked up to one very high skill, Weapon Master, and sheer speed. The real winners of the setting, however, are the Others, of course. Nobody else is described as possessing, "liquid grace."

Skills are hard to pin down. We rarely see straight contests of skill without any external factors in the series outside of tourney (eg: The top three archers at the Tourney of the Hand are Anguy of the BWB, Jalabar Xho of the Summer Islands, and Balon Swann of the Kingsguard). Right-handed Jaime Lannister, Syrio Forel, and Barristan Selmy are probably the kings of sheer swordsmanship based on reputation and observable feats. Petyr Baelish is a wizard of Economics and Finance, and he and Varys are masters of Intelligence Analysis. Euron Greyjoy Intimidates his brothers Victarion (an epic badass who hates him) and Aeron (a fanatical holy man who opposes him on spiritual grounds) just by looking at them. Tyrion is probably the realm's foremost authority on dragons, now that Aemon Targaryen is dead, and his dad Tywin is a demigod of Strategy. Marwyn the Mage probably knows more about Thaumatology than anybody else in Westeros. Nobody out-Caroused Robert Baratheon...

[NineDaysDead]

Originally Posted by Gold & Appel Inc

Tyrion definitely has a high IQ and is very well-read even for his status, Sarella Sand has forged three links at the Citadel in her first year as a novice (compare with Armen the Acolyte, who has more but averages one a year and seems very cocky about his intellect) while simultaneously pretending to be a boy, and Maester Aemon seems like a sharp and well-educated fellow, but I'd have to award highest in the setting to Varys, maybe tied with Olenna Tyrell. Everybody who has finished ADWD and comprehended the full scope of his plot with Illyrio knows how brilliant (and ambitious) that guy is, and he has never had a slip in his plans that wasn't caused by completely unpredictable external forces that he nevertheless immediately moves to skillfully counter. Olenna pretty much single-handedly makes all of her son's absurd pie-in-the-sky dreams come true (so far), sets up the best assassination in the series, and is at least as witty as Tyrion when trading conversational barbs, plus her fool doubles as a bodyguard and a white noise generator.

HT is hard to read from text, of course, but I think we can safely assume that Greatjon Umber is an epic badass in this department. He casually laughs off a crippling wolf-bite to the hand, and not only survives the Red Wedding but manages to kill a guy and bite another guy's ear off before he goes down after drinking with Merrett Frey (a raging alcoholic with a liver made out of shoe leather, specifically tasked with getting the Greatjon too drunk to fight, and a very sturdy man himself - his mother was a Crakehall) all night. Runner-up: Strong Belwas, who has let every man he has ever killed cut him once without dying of infection, and who eats an entire bowl of poisoned locusts that were supposed to kill Daenerys in a few bites with nothing more than vomiting and an incapacitating bellyache as the consequences.

Loras Tyrell is a DX monster. The kid is shown to be talented as all get-out at everything physical he attempts, from riding to almost every knightly weapon I can think of (especially the lance, to enable the double entendre lulz, but he also kills two of his fellow Rainbow Guards, supposedly some of the best fighters in his very large faction, at the same time with a sword, and chooses a morningstar when he storms Dragonstone). We never see him lose in melee except once each against Gregor Clegane and Brienne of Tarth, who were both highly-skilled in their own right, much bigger than he is, and functioning in a blind apocalyptic rage at the time. Syrio Forel is a likely candidate to be up there as well, but he could also be chalked up to one very high skill, Weapon Master, and sheer speed. The real winners of the setting, however, are the Others, of course. Nobody else is described as possessing, "liquid grace."

Skills are hard to pin down. We rarely see straight contests of skill without any external factors in the series outside of tourney (eg: The top three archers at the Tourney of the Hand are Anguy of the BWB, Jalabar Xho of the Summer Islands, and Balon Swann of the Kingsguard). Right-handed Jaime Lannister, Syrio Forel, and Barristan Selmy are probably the kings of sheer swordsmanship based on reputation and observable feats. Petyr Baelish is a wizard of Economics and Finance, and he and Varys are masters of Intelligence Analysis. Euron Greyjoy Intimidates his brothers Victarion (an epic badass who hates him) and Aeron (a fanatical holy man who opposes him on spiritual grounds) just by looking at them. Tyrion is probably the realm's foremost authority on dragons, now that Aemon Targaryen is dead, and his dad Tywin is a demigod of Strategy. Marwyn the Mage probably knows more about Thaumatology than anybody else in Westeros. Nobody out-Caroused Robert Baratheon...

Good Stuff, although it raises a question, how do you seperate very high stats from good stats and a breadth of advantages?

Looking at Varys, for example, while he certainly has mental depth, does he have the breadth needed to justify lots of raw IQ, or could he be designed with a decent IQ + talent + advantages? Maybe something like:

ST 10 [0]; DX 10 [0]; IQ 13 [60]; HT 10 [0]

Advantages: Charisma +1 [5]; Common Sense (Reliable +4 +20%) [12]; Empathy (Reliable +4 +20%)[18]; Intuition (Reflexive +40%; Reliable +10, +50%) [29]; Luck [30]; Talent +10 [???]; Serendipity 2 [30].
Quirks: Eunuch [-1]; Always going on about being a eunuch or what being castrated feels like [-1]

[lexington]

You can't take Talent +10 but Talent +4 sounds like a good idea. Make it a Politician Talent.

Varys almost certainly doesn't have Charisma, people do not generally react well to him.

[Figleaf23]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

So he does like 11d+20 damage or something? Don't you think ST 80 is a little high?

No, I think GURPS handles cutting damage inadequately.

On Spike TVs 'Deadliest Warrior' they documented example after example of modern Sport weaponists being able to lop pig carcasses practically in half with big ancient swords.

(But also, alternatively, neither we nor GURPS can be held responsible if the source material is exaggerated.)

[Figleaf23]

Originally Posted by Langy

The person with the highest IQ is probably Tyrion, though Tywin and Aegon (the Nightwatch meister) are both probably similar if not the same.

No idea about highest DX or HT, though.

Highest DX is probably Ayla, her fencing-master, or Khal Drogo.

[NineDaysDead]

Originally Posted by lexington

You can't take Talent +10

GURPS Talents...

[Fred Brackin]

Originally Posted by Figleaf23

No, I think GURPS handles cutting damage inadequately.

<shrug> we have a canonical answer. Beheading a character takes a Cutting Attack to the Neck location and a failed HT roll for survival.

Horses are Characters and a typical warhorse is ST/HP 24 (No, I wouldn't bother buying the Mountain a really good horse).

ST 24 is 4D+3 Swing. a Greatsword adds +3 damage and Fine would add +1. AOA(Strong) adds +1 per die and all this totals to 4D+10. That averages 24 pts and Cutting Attacks to the Neck are x2. All you need now is the failed HT Roll.

You don't like these rules? Make up your own but the OP (if the poor fellow is stil with us) wanted to know how to benchmark a character in Gurps and this provides a fir for the Mountain with official rules.