Revaluation of Attributes and Secondary Characteristics

[newton]

it’s not a good idea to scale anything with strength you don’t want the potential of someone having an absurd amount of imo

[DouglasCole]

Originally Posted by Blind Mapmaker

I agree that there are some problems with the current pricing scheme. Douglas Cole makes a good point (on his blog) for raising the price of ST

Just to jump here: the price of HT, not ST. I've never thought ST was under-costed.

[Fred Brackin]

Originally Posted by DouglasCole

Just to jump here: the price of HT, not ST. I've never thought ST was under-costed.

Since the "cost" of a failed HT roll can be "Stop everything and take an annoying amount of time to make a new character" I don't even think HT is underpriced. If anything, PCs don't buy their HT high enough in relation to the shennigans they get into.

This does lead to PCs having an unrealitically high HT but perfect realism has never been one of my goals. Indeed, for action-oriented games High HT might be the most useful stat in emulating how things work in similar movies.

[Blind Mapmaker]

Originally Posted by DouglasCole

Just to jump here: the price of HT, not ST. I've never thought ST was under-costed.

Gosh that's a really stupid mistake of me. I'll correct it immediately. Sorry!

[RyanW]

Originally Posted by newton

it’s not a good idea to scale anything with strength you don’t want the potential of someone having an absurd amount of imo

Or, conversely, an absolutely tiny amount of. ST 3 is an extremely strong mouse, and ST 18 is a feeble elephant.

[dataweaver]

Originally Posted by Blind Mapmaker

HT (15 points/level):
Does no longer affect FP, which are still limited to +/-30% of HT (including HT bonuses from Fit and Very Fit).

HP (2 points/level): Are unaffected by ST, but limited to to +/- 30% of ST.

FP (3 points/level):
Are unaffected by HT, but still limited to +/-30% of HT.

IMHO, if A is limited to ±30% of B, then A should be affected by B.

[ErhnamDJ]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHowl

I do think that there is utility in keeping a four attribute model though.

But it's not four attributes. The subattributes already function as additional attributes. All you're doing by bundling these things together is creating a headache for the players.

[RyanW]

Originally Posted by dataweaver

IMHO, if A is limited to ±30% of B, then A should be affected by B.

I'm thinking of using a somewhat similar mechanism for ST. Because my WIP rules decouple damage and hit points from a neat linear progression with ST, it's working out easier to say that ST doesn't give a set damage score, but instead gives a valid range of scores which are bought separately.

[Rupert]

Originally Posted by Blind Mapmaker

ST (10 points/level):
Does no longer affect HP. But HP are still limited to +/- 30% of ST. Damage and Basic Lift are unchanged.

So effectively the old ST is now 12/level, and your new ST is 12/level at ST15+ because you must at that point pay for HP increases.

HT (15 points/level):
Does no longer affect FP, which are still limited to +/-30% of HT (including HT bonuses from Fit and Very Fit).

Fit and Very Fit are really good at the costs in the Basic Set. Making them count for FP limits, and the increase in HT cost make them nearly mandatory.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by DouglasCole

Just to jump here: the price of HT, not ST. I've never thought ST was under-costed.

It's potentially reasonable to increase the cost of ST if you Know Your Own ST, though even then it has relatively narrow applicability compared to other attributes.