09-16-2018, 12:06 PM | #31 | |
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Re: Anti-Drone defenses?
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The danger of tiny autonomous assassin drones is they can be effective singularly or in swarms. They're difficult to defend against because they're maneuverable and can conceal themselves up until the terminal phase of their flight. Where they're autonomous grenades or shoot ricin pellets is immaterial. A bunch can be launch from the back of a van in an alley and then the driver gets away with no connection to the attack. |
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09-16-2018, 12:10 PM | #32 |
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Re: Anti-Drone defenses?
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Initial countermeasure thoughts are, in no particular order: water cannon EMP netguns chaff directed energy spray adhesive/foam counter drones
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09-16-2018, 12:29 PM | #33 | |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKNN49idCUo although to counter a drone laden with explosives, it might be a one-use eagle. Luke |
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09-16-2018, 12:29 PM | #34 | |
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Other idea: Anti-drone drones. Sure this then becomes a "who's flying the most drones", but it's a viable secondary measure for the truly rich and |
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09-16-2018, 12:43 PM | #35 |
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Re: Anti-Drone defenses?
Against a solitary drone, bat it away. It might be able to dodge your hand, but it probably can't dodge your hand and close in at the same time.
It might give up and shoot you in the hand, but that's a lot more survivable than what it's trying to do. Especially if your enemies don't have advanced poisons access.
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09-16-2018, 02:11 PM | #36 |
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Re: Anti-Drone defenses?
Drone range is more or less inverse to size. The lightest drone I can find with a 7km range weighs 1.6 pounds, most weight 3+. So being in the middle of a good size farm means the small hard to spot ones can't make it that far.
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A possible counter-tactic: Have the swarm focus several attackers on each target at a time, then when that target is down, refocus on the next batch of targets. This is likely to be applied in any situation where individuals might be carrying active defenses that can only handle a few drones and which can be swamped. The TL9 flier robobugs in Ultra-Tech that I've been jotting most of my notes on have an airspeed of around 20 mph, and an endurance of 1 hour.
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09-16-2018, 07:40 PM | #38 |
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Re: Anti-Drone defenses?
It honestly sounds like it becomes another sniper problem. In real life, a sniper is capable of choosing a position in most urban areas a mile or more from a location that the target regularly visits. The bullet travels faster than the speed of sound, so there is no warning before the head of the victim explodes like a ripe watermelon. Despite this, most important people do not hide themselves away from the world for fear of an enemy sniper.
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09-16-2018, 07:50 PM | #39 | |
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09-16-2018, 07:58 PM | #40 | |
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At TL9 available warheads include: 1. Biochemical Aerosol 2. HE 1d cr ex [1d-2] 3. HEC 1d cr ex 4. Expendable Jammer (drone ECCM!) And whatever happed to High Explosive Squash Head, by the way? You could extrapolate from the rules in High Tech (HT p.170), and I really can't think of a reason that a 10mm version is not possible. That might be the warhead of preference for 10mm skull attacks at TL9. But if you upped the size to 15mm you could get SEFOP, which is pretty damned capable for the described use at 4d(2) imp inc, especially since it can detonate from a couple of yards away, thus negating flyswatters etc as a defense. And you also gain Biochemical Liquid and EMP (yet more drone ECCM!). And 25mm gets you all sorts of fun stuff for even larger drones, primarily freaking Thermobaric as well as Shaped Charge. Actually, shaped charges were made as small as 20mm at TL7, so one could reasonably house rule the limit to be 15mm rather than 25mm, but frankly why bother if you have SEFOP at 15mm? I could easily imagine the very largest drones in that video carrying a 40mm warhead. Then you'd have essentially every warhead size covered. And, wow, yes there really should be a Hypodermic warhead, shouldn't there? Bit of a fail, that. Perhaps one that works like an EpiPen-style auto injector to give a bit of clothing penetrating power? It would be especially appropriate for low-velocity weaponry such as a Tangler. And hypodermically-delivered nerve agents sound pretty terrifying, let alone stuff like botulinum, ricin, or irradiated polonium. But you could come up with stats for hypodermics rather easily. The Dan-Inject JM Standard (HT p.68) is 11mm, so I'd say that it would be pretty safe to assume that they are available down to 10mm at TL9, holding 1 to 6 doses just like the Dan-Inject. Injectable tracking devices are available, too, doubtless with 10x range and battery life at TL9.
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