Translation problems in new GURPS Lite Spanish

[Kuroshima]

The latest batch of corrections!

• p35, under "LESIONES, ENFERMEDAD Y FATIGA", "Gloria" -> "gloria" (improper capitalization) [layout]
• p35, under "LESIONES, ENFERMEDAD Y FATIGA", "Puedes ser realmente herido" -> "Puedes acabar gravemente herido" [Sentence]
• p35, under "Lesiones", "un perdida (normalmente) temporal de Puntos de Impacto" -> "una perdida (normalmente) Puntos de Vida" [Grammar/Mistranslation]
• p35, under "Lesiones", "PI" -> "PV" (Multiple times) [Mistranslation]
• p35, under "Lesiones", "Lesiones Generales: Perdida de Puntos de Impacto" -> "Lesiones Generales: Perdida de Puntos de Vida" [Mistranslation]
• p35, under "Lesiones", "Heridas repetidas eventualmente causan que cualquiera o cualquier cosa se debilite y colapse, incluso si ninguna herida es muy grande" -> "Suficientes heridas eventualmente causan que cualquiera (o cualquier cosa) se debilite y caiga, aunque sean de poca consideración" [Sentence]
• p35, under "Lesiones", "La table (ver más abajo)" -> "La tabla (ver mas abajo)" [Misspelling]
• p35, under "Menos de 1/3 de tus PI", "Divide a la mitad tu Movimiento y Esquivar" -> "Divide a la mitad tu Movimiento y Esquiva" [Style]
• p35, under "0 PI o menos", "peligro de colapsar" -> "peligro de desmayarte" [Mistranslation]
• p35, under "-1xPI", "tu tirada de SL o colapses)" -> "tu tirada de SL o te desmayes)" [Mistranslation]
• p36, under "Heridas Mortales", "cualquier número de puntos de impacto;" -> "cualquier número de puntos de vida;" [Misstranslation]
• p36, under "Muerte", "(que no está reducido a -10xHP)." -> "(que no está reducido a -10xPV)." [Leftover word]
• p36, under "Muerte", "Asume simplemente que bajan -5xHP." -> "Asume simplemente que bajan -5xPV." [Leftover word]
• p36, under "Muerte", "meramente desprevenido." -> "meramente desprevenida." [Grammar]
• p36, under "Curación", "¡puedes mejorarte!" -> "¡puedes recuperarte!" [Mistranslation]
• p36, under "Curacion Natural", "Descansar re" -> "Descansar te" [Misspelling]
• p36, under "Curacion Natural", "lascondiciones" -> "las condiciones" [Misspelling]
• p36, under "Fatiga", "nadir largas distancias" -> "nadar largas distancias" [Misspelling]
• p37, under "Menos de 1/3 de tus PF", "Esquivar," -> "Esquiva" [Style]
• p37, under "0 PF o menos", "Si fracasas, colapsas, incapacitado," -> "Si fracasas, te desmayas, incapacitado," [Mistranslation]
• p37, under "Costes de Fatiga", "Caminar: Usa los costes en PF para una batalla, pero aplica por hora de viaje por tierra" -> "Marcha: Consulta los costes en PF para una batalla, pero aplicalos por hora de viaje" [Mistranslation/Sentence/Grammar]
• p36, under "Costes de Fatiga", "Correr o Nadar: ECada 15 segundos de esprintar, o minuto de correr o nadir con ritmo, require una tirada de SL para evitar perder 1PF." -> "Correr o Nadar: Por cada 15 segundos de esprintar, o minuto de correr o nadar marcando el ritmo, se debe hacer una tirada de SL para evitar perder 1PF"
• p37, under "Deshidratación", "AUn humano" -> "Un humano" [Misspelling]
• p37, under "Falta de Sueño", "Si te has mantenido despierto por más tiempo de tu día normal (tipicamente 16 horas), comienzas a estar cansado. Pierdes 1 PF si no logras irte a dormir, y 1 PF por cuarto de tal día (típicamente cuatro horas) que permanezcas despierto." -> "Si has estado despierto durate mas tiempo que tu jornada habitual (normalmente 16 horas), comienzas a cansarte. Pierdes 1 PF si no te acuestas en ese momento, y 1 PF adicional por cada cuanto de tal jornada (normalmente 4 horas) que permanezcas despierto" [Sentence]
• p37, under "Falta de Sueño", "o duermas tanto como una noche completa de sueño." -> "o duermas el equivalente a una noche" [Sentence]
• p37, under "recuperarse del cansancio", "caminado" -> "caminar" [Mistranslation]
• p37, under "Otros Peligros", "ordinaries del combate" -> "Ordinarios del combate," [Misspelling/Punctuation]
• p37, under "Otros Peligros", "los aventureros normalmente se enfrentan a otros peligros" -> "los aventureros se enfrentan habitualmente a otros peligros" [Sentence]
• p37, under "Frío", "debe tener aislante o forma de calentar" -> "debe incorporar aislante o fuentes de calor" [Mistranslation]
• p38, under "Frío", "en un tiempo “normalmente” helador." -> "que permanezcas en un ambiente gelido “normal”" [mistranslation/Sentence]
• p38, under "Frío", "Con viento poco intenso (15+Km/h)" -> "Con viento poco intenso (10+mph)" (The whole text uses imperial measurements, escept for a couple of places like this one, the conversion to metric, I leave to someone else) [Mistranslation]
• p38, under "Frío", "Bajo viento intenso (30+ Km/h)," -> "Bajo viento intenso (30+ mph)," (idem, note that here, the original translator didn't even ajust the numbers) [Mistranslation]
• p38, under "Frío", "(el “factor de viento <chill>”)" -> "(Factor conocido como “Sensación Térmica”)" [Mistranslation]
• p38, under "Frío", in the the table, "Traje Calentador" -> "Traje climatizado" [Mistranslation]
• p38, under "Frío", in the the table, "adctionales -5" -> "-5 adicional" [Mistranslation/Misspelling]
• p38, under "Frío", in the the table, "Cada 10° por debajo de 0°F de la temperatura efectiva" -> "Por cada 10º de temperatura efectiva por debajo de 0ºF" [Sentence]
• p38, under "Colisiones y Caidas", "Puntos de Impacto" -> "Puntos de Vida" [Mistranslation]
• p38, under "Colisiones y Caidas", "que sea muy grande para empujarlo" -> "que sea demasiado grando como para empujarlo" [Mistranslation]
• p38, under "Enfermedad", "Tirada de Fortaleza" -> "Tirada de Resistencia" [Style]
• p38, under "Enfermedad", "permiten una tirada de SL o SL-6" -> "permiten una tirada de SL a SL-6" [Mistranslation]
• p38, under "Enfermedad", "¡Las lesions por enfermedad no curarán" -> "las lesiones por enfermedad no se curaran" [Misspelling/Misstranslation]
• p38, under "Llamas", "de un horno" -> "en una fundicion" [Mistranslation]
• p38, under "Llamas", "Un único daño infligido por al menos 3 puntos de daño básico por quemaduras incendia parte de la ropa de la víctima." -> "3 puntos de daño basico por quemaduras infligidas por una unica fuente incendian la ropa de la victima" [Sentence]
• p39, under "Llamas", "Un único daño infligido por 10 o más puntos de daño básico por quemaduras incendia" -> "10 puntos de daño basico por quemaduras infligidas por una unica fuente incendian" [Sentence]
• p39, under "Calor", "efectos enfermantes" -> "efectos adversos" [Mistranslation]
• p39, under "Calor", "Pero si estás activo a temperaturas por en los 10° superiores de tu zona de confort, o por encima" -> "Pero si estás activo a temperaturas por encima de 10º menos que el limite superior de tu zona de confort" [Sentence]
• p39, under "Veneno", "Un veneno puede aparecer en armas; en dardos, agujas, o puntas en trampas; en comida o bebida ofrecida por un adversario traicionero; o en cualquier parte que no lo esperabas." -> "los venenos pueden aparecer en armas; en dardos, agujas o pichos en las trampas; en comida o bebida ofrecida por un adversario traicionero; o en cualquier otra parte inesperada." [Sentence]
• p39, under "Veneno", "requieren entre" -> "requieren desde" [Mistranslation]
• p39, under "Veneno", "Esto es casi siempre cierto para agentes digestivos" -> "Los agentes digestivos funcionan casi siempre así" [Sentence]
• p39, under "Veneno", "SL a SL-4 es típico" -> "De SL a SL-4 es lo típico" [Sentence]
• p39, under "Veneno", "Si estás en un medioambiente venenoso" -> "Si estás en un entorno venenoso" [Mistranslation]
• p39, under "Asfixia", "rescatador también debe hacer una" -> "rescatador debe hacer, ademas, una" [Sentence]
• p39, under "Asfixia", "en orden de salvarte" -> "para salvarte" [Mistranslation]
• p39, under "Asfixia", "cerebrales permanents" -> "cerebrales permanentes" [Misspelling]

BTW, after much though, and brainstorming with my gaming group, we decided on the following translations for Thrust and Swing:

• Thrust -> Acometida (Official 3rd ed translation)
• Swing -> Revés (The official 3rd ed translation was Mandoble, and IMHO this one is better. It means backhand, when in a Tennis vontext, and it's the closest thing we could think.)

Now, I'll proffread my corrections for the inevitable typos, and once I have them ready, send them to SJG by email.

[gkzhukov]

Originally Posted by Kuroshima

BTW, after much though, and brainstorming with my gaming group, we decided on the following translations for Thrust and Swing:

• Thrust -> Acometida (Official 3rd ed translation)
• Swing -> Revés (The official 3rd ed translation was Mandoble, and IMHO this one is better. It means backhand, when in a Tennis context, and it's the closest thing we could think.)

Then it would be better to use "volea" instead of "revés", wouldn't it? :) Mmmm... I find that translation somewhat unsatisfactory. Maybe simply "Golpe"? Or "Gancho"?

On the other hand, I do agree that "Acometida" is the best we have for "Thrust".

Congrats again for your hard work! ¡Menudo curro, amigo!

[Kuroshima]

Originally Posted by gkzhukov

Then it would be better to use "volea" instead of "revés", wouldn't it? :) Mmmm... I find that translation somewhat unsatisfactory. Maybe simply "Golpe"? Or "Gancho"?

On the other hand, I do agree that "Acometida" is the best we have for "Thrust".

Congrats again for your hard work! ¡Menudo curro, amigo!

Well, Revés was the best we found. It's somewhat unsatisfactory, that's true, but then we found the alternatives to be worse:
-We discussed "Azote", but found it worse than Revés. It was a strong contender.
-"Mandoble" (the 3rd ed option) was unsuitable because it means two handed sword.
-Gancho would be confusing, since it's more often associated to unarmed combat, and unarmed combat nearly always does thrust damage
-Golpe is IMHO way too bland

BTW, who should I send the corrections to? Steve Jackson himself? errata@sjgames.com?

[demonsbane]

Originally Posted by Almafeta

I would make the suggestion that if no term that is far and away a better translation of the concept can be found, that the 3e terms should be defaulted to when possible...

True.

However, can be useful to keep in mind the earlier GURPS Spanish edition/translation (third edition, no compendiums, almost no supplements, relative quality...) wasn't very popular. It even arouse a certain degree of rebuff.

Originally Posted by gkzhukov

(...) Mmmm... I find that translation somewhat unsatisfactory. Maybe simply "Golpe"? Or "Gancho"?

While Almafeta's advice is good and useful, yesterday I thought "Golpe" as a possible translation for "Swing", too.

On the other hand, I do agree that "Acometida" is the best we have for "Thrust".

Yes, I *believe* all us agree with this point.

Originally Posted by Kuroshima

-Golpe is IMHO way too bland

I think "Golpe" (English "Hit") is a very straightforward term. However, Thrust/Swing attacks would be "ataques de acometida y golpe", while Thrust/Swing damage would be "daño de acometida y daño de golpear". To my eyes, it could be worse.

So I almost think "Golpe" is a suitable translation for the GURPS "Swing".

BTW, who should I send the corrections to? Steve Jackson himself? errata@sjgames.com?

I think someone of SJG staff could answer this question better, but as you know, the default trail for suggesting corrections is the one you just pointed above.

[The Fox]

Originally Posted by Kuroshima

BTW, who should I send the corrections to? Steve Jackson himself? errata@sjgames.com?

Not Steve, his plates full enough and (at the risk of sounding really... weird) this sort of thing is beneath him (that is, he is much farther up the chain than the guy who's gonna hafta to fix all this).

Not errata because, frankly, this isn't errata this is... a mess, to put it bluntly.

Right now, I'm not entirely sure what the game plan is for dealing with this. Mostly because nobody's back around the office yet. Holidays and all. Will let you guys know when I've learned more.

[Andrew Hackard]

To echo Fox, the people who need to be aware of this are aware of it, and are being quiet because it's dead week at the office. Sit tight, don't e-mail anyone, and let the wheels turn. This issue won't be lying around for long, I'm sure.

[Steven Marsh]

Hola, mis amigos! Soy el hombre que...

Wait, I better stop relying on my 10-year-old rusty Spanish.

Anyway, I'm stepping up to act as the collector of the corrections for GURPS Lite (Spanish Edition). For those of you who read the previous version and made corrections, if you could e-mail those corrections to me at smarsh@sjgames.com, I would be appreciative. I know some of you used formatting when making your corrections, so I can accept Word, HTML, RTF, or plain-text corrections.

I'd love to get these corrections as soon as possible, if possible.

Muchas gracias!

[Kuroshima]

I'm already in communication with Steven Marsh via email. Let's hope that things go swiftly, and we can have GURPS Lite Spanish Edition ASAP!

[demonsbane]

Originally Posted by Steven Marsh

I'm stepping up to act as the collector of the corrections for GURPS Lite (Spanish Edition). (...)

Originally Posted by Kuroshima

I'm already in communication with Steven Marsh via email. Let's hope that things go swiftly, and we can have GURPS Lite Spanish Edition ASAP!

Thank you Steven and Kuroshima!

I wanted to be more involved helping here, but I hope to see a correct GURPS Lite Spanish, at last.

Maybe a few of us can help (myself included) in the final steps of the revision prior to the release, if you want -after all the hard work already done!
...(This would be mostly a quick proofreading of the final text for detecting typos.)

Independently of this suggestion, we will be waiting for news.

[wabishtar]

So I couldn't help but notice that this thread is two years old, and there's still no spanish version of GURPS Lite on e23. Did it require a whole new design? What happened?