Boom Dagger

ruinexplorer · 09-05-2008, 07:51 PM

OK, so this seems to be a Munchkinly problem: I have the Boom Dagger which always returns to the user when cursed, sold, or stolen, on the owner's next turn but will remain with the new owner if given away. I had the curse Generosity played on me which makes me give an item to every other player. I gave the Boom Dagger to the player who played the curse on me. So as to prevent me from being able to get the Boom Dagger back (lost due to curse), he Munchkinly gave it to another player as a gift (not part of a trade and not as charity - I was the lowest level player).

Does the lost item come back to me since it was originally lost due to a curse or does it stay with the new owner since it was freely given away?

RevBob · 09-05-2008, 07:58 PM

Due to the text on Generosity, I would figure both ownership transfers (you to A, A to B) counted as gifts, and thus B would retain it. Without the second gift, A would still have kept it.

ruinexplorer · 09-05-2008, 08:17 PM

See, I disagree. I grudgingly accepted that since he gave it away that it probably wouldn't come back. But since I was cursed, I still think it would have come back if he hadn't given it away. Or are you saying that since a Curse "lose one small item" has the word lose and Generosity says "give" that I am willfully giving it away?

RevBob · 09-05-2008, 10:21 PM

I am saying that, as far as I recall right now, Boomdagger says nothing about "willingly" - just "given." Generosity forces you to "give" your items - same word, so why wouldn't it be the same result? Yes, the giving happens to be the result of a curse - but it's still giving.

Puuka · 05-28-2009, 09:46 AM

I was reading this card and got thinking, what if it's stolen, then the thief trades it to another player?

According to the card, "If traded, looted, or given away, it becomes faithful to the new owner". So, would the later text supersede the earlier text of it being stolen and returning?

MunchkinMan · 05-28-2009, 10:06 AM

If it has been stolen, its loyalty to its original owner hasn't changed. If the original owner trades it, then the loyalty will change. So, the trading aspect of the Boom Dagger text requires it to be traded by someone to whom it is already loyal. The original owner would still get his Boom Dagger back even if a Thief steals it then trades it.

Puuka · 05-28-2009, 10:11 AM

ok, just thinking like a munchkin and focusing on the text that would be most beneficial to the person that stole it or received it in such a trade. ;)

09-05-2008, 07:51 PM	#1
ruinexplorer Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Las Vegas	Boom Dagger OK, so this seems to be a Munchkinly problem: I have the Boom Dagger which always returns to the user when cursed, sold, or stolen, on the owner's next turn but will remain with the new owner if given away. I had the curse Generosity played on me which makes me give an item to every other player. I gave the Boom Dagger to the player who played the curse on me. So as to prevent me from being able to get the Boom Dagger back (lost due to curse), he Munchkinly gave it to another player as a gift (not part of a trade and not as charity - I was the lowest level player). Does the lost item come back to me since it was originally lost due to a curse or does it stay with the new owner since it was freely given away?

09-05-2008, 07:58 PM	#2
RevBob Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Here on the perimeter, there are no stars	Re: Boom Dagger Due to the text on Generosity, I would figure both ownership transfers (you to A, A to B) counted as gifts, and thus B would retain it. Without the second gift, A would still have kept it. __________________ Find me at @RevBobTnJ * Goodreads Looking for a St. Aosbczkcs medal.

09-05-2008, 08:17 PM	#3
ruinexplorer Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Las Vegas	Re: Boom Dagger See, I disagree. I grudgingly accepted that since he gave it away that it probably wouldn't come back. But since I was cursed, I still think it would have come back if he hadn't given it away. Or are you saying that since a Curse "lose one small item" has the word lose and Generosity says "give" that I am willfully giving it away?

09-05-2008, 10:21 PM	#4
RevBob Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Here on the perimeter, there are no stars	Re: Boom Dagger I am saying that, as far as I recall right now, Boomdagger says nothing about "willingly" - just "given." Generosity forces you to "give" your items - same word, so why wouldn't it be the same result? Yes, the giving happens to be the result of a curse - but it's still giving. __________________ Find me at @RevBobTnJ * Goodreads Looking for a St. Aosbczkcs medal.

05-28-2009, 09:46 AM	#5
Puuka Join Date: Sep 2008	Re: Boom Dagger I was reading this card and got thinking, what if it's stolen, then the thief trades it to another player? According to the card, "If traded, looted, or given away, it becomes faithful to the new owner". So, would the later text supersede the earlier text of it being stolen and returning?

05-28-2009, 10:06 AM	#6
MunchkinMan Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Macungie, PA	Re: Boom Dagger If it has been stolen, its loyalty to its original owner hasn't changed. If the original owner trades it, then the loyalty will change. So, the trading aspect of the Boom Dagger text requires it to be traded by someone to whom it is already loyal. The original owner would still get his Boom Dagger back even if a Thief steals it then trades it. __________________ Erik D. Zane *Munchkin* NetRep -- munchkin@sjgames.com MiB #1029

05-28-2009, 10:11 AM	#7
Puuka Join Date: Sep 2008	Re: Boom Dagger ok, just thinking like a munchkin and focusing on the text that would be most beneficial to the person that stole it or received it in such a trade. ;)