09-17-2016, 01:10 AM | #11 | |
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Re: inflicting advantages with negative limitations
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Also, is there some reason Shadow Form should take away someone's ability to speak? |
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09-17-2016, 01:15 AM | #12 | |
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Well, it says "physical actions" and speaking would be a physical action. Personally, as a GM I'd still be cool with speaking.
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09-17-2016, 02:53 AM | #13 |
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Re: inflicting advantages with negative limitations
Probably depends on metaphysics of the setting. Vibrating air based speech like reality? No. But spooky spiritual communication or meeting of the minds? Why not? Even if the effects boil down to normal talking.
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09-17-2016, 07:52 AM | #14 |
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Re: inflicting advantages with negative limitations
Shadows whispering to people is such a common thing that I would tend to assume Shadow Form does not include Cannot Speak. No assuming a trait is packaged with a disadvantage unless explicitly stated.
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09-17-2016, 05:39 PM | #15 | |
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09-17-2016, 11:00 PM | #16 |
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Re: inflicting advantages with negative limitations
I don't envy you authors with how much cross-referencing needed to avoid too much R.A.W. contradiction. Fans can just toss whatever we think silly, wrong, or just not quite fitting to our play/setting style.
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09-17-2016, 11:18 PM | #17 |
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Re: inflicting advantages with negative limitations
It's a living. :-)
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09-18-2016, 04:12 AM | #18 |
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Re: inflicting advantages with negative limitations
I thought the issue was Temporary Disadvantage on Advantage Afflictions and how confusing the whole good-and-bad trait bundling gets (like, if I'm afflicting people with Shadow Form as a DISadvantage, do the Enhancements that allow the target to speak/move in 3D reduce the value of the Disad? Probably?), but I'll bite.
I don't think fiction has any examples of a person who has no Magic Resistance or similar ability being willing to accept a spell/effect and failing to do so just because the effect isn't... what... strong enough? What is this even modeling? What compelling interest is there in forbidding people from waiving a resistance roll if they don't want to resist? Is it game balance? Some sort of verisimilitude? Ingrained mistrust of people using Affliction to afflict Advantages? If I knew why it were important that beneficial Afflictions could fail, I'd have a better idea of how to make the system better. At the moment, though, "anyone without Magic Resistance" (or similar) "can waive any Affliction resistance roll" seems like the sane route to go, to me. As for duration, use Fixed Duration? Come up with an Enhancement that says "lasts for 3 minutes or the target's MoS on a HT roll, whichever is longer," which shouldn't be more than +10%? Something like that should work well. If GURPS 5e changes one thing from 4e and that change is building an entirely separate Benediction advantage, I'll think it was a good call. |
09-21-2016, 02:04 PM | #19 |
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Re: inflicting advantages with negative limitations
Supernatural abilities in fiction usually just work; games traditionally have had "saves" instead. I don't really know if there's a reason for this other than "dead-with-no-save" sucks, and gamers like rolling for stuff. In this case it replaces the resistance roll with an an acceptance roll, probably for entirely mechanical reasons.
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09-21-2016, 09:13 PM | #20 | |
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