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Old 02-27-2020, 02:55 AM   #21
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Default Re: What do the slave camps do? [Reign of Steel]

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This leaves the AI vulnerable to well choreographed dancing.
And thus came the Dance (Dance) Revolution.
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Old 03-03-2020, 06:41 AM   #22
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Yep. Because the apocalypse involved a LOT of biowarfare there are still huge amounts of human-designed equipment and industry in lots of places. Much of it was dismantled but much still remains.

The zones with the most slaves, e.g. New Delhi and Tel Aviv, are generally keeping the humans because the zonemind is ideologically committed to biological-machine symbiosis. In those zones food production may occur (see New Delhi for notes on this); in many other zones, the slave population is so low relative to the former size that they can use stocks of canned goods, MREs, etc. Often the human population died off much faster than these could be consumed or salvaged, and large stocks were left in robot-controlled areas.
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The standard activities for the slave camp inmates is salvage of useful items and construction work in urban environments (see Zone Tel Aviv, p. 36; Zone Paris, p. 34-35). Workers aren't just doing hand labor - human workers are operating power tools, using powered exoskeletons, VR enabled gear, etc. (see p. 100 and the entries on port facilities and construction sites, and note that this sort of work was not unknown to humans even before the apocalypse; most were used to partnering with machines, as the Virtual Society indicates). A human worker can be more effective than a cheap non-volitional unless the latter is directly supervised by an AU.

The guard robots aren't that expensive. If one stalker robot can supervise 20 humans each of which does the work of a robot, that's still 19 tech robots saved. The humans are fairly easy to maintain since the AIs stocks of stowed food etc. are still larger than the survivor population (due to biowarfare)

Another point is that combat robots guarding humans aren't wasted. The zoneminds generally want to maintain a sizable reserve force of combat robots, in the event of inter-zone conflict or a surge of uman resistance forces. In such contingencies, they'd shoot the slaves, then deploy, so so the slave camps wouldn't tie up resources during "wartime". Now, of course some zoneminds keep their reserves powered down to reduce upkeep, but since they generally need the troops anyway, the cost of using combat bots as guards (and reaping the economic benefit of free labor) is comparable to the cost of having combat robots you aren't using at all.
And there were answers right in the book! Thank you so much. Its always wonderful to have the author drop in.

The answer also kind of indicates that the zoneminds aren't as strong economically as the populations they replaced, but won the war through biowarfare and the advantage of surprise.

And that's a great observation about the guard robots.
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Old 03-03-2020, 10:05 AM   #23
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And thus came the Dance (Dance) Revolution.
I was thinking more along the lines of a much darker Footloose sequel.
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Old 03-03-2020, 05:40 PM   #24
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That's...just insane enough to be possibly valid.
Especially for Zone Brisbane.

Do Aussies have a common dance known to everybody, or do they just all copy Hugh Jackman?

What?
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Old 03-04-2020, 02:33 AM   #25
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Especially for Zone Brisbane.

Do Aussies have a common dance known to everybody, or do they just all copy Hugh Jackman?

What?
Sure do.

Type “aussies doing the nutbush” into Youtube.
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Old 03-04-2020, 10:52 AM   #26
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And here I was expecting Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation (which looks like a revolt in a dystopia).
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