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Old 02-13-2020, 03:55 PM   #31
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Is there printing on the spine?

Strictly B&W interior, correct?
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Old 02-13-2020, 08:14 PM   #32
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* Have you ordered GURPS On Demand books?: No, not yet. I may do so in the future for DFRPG Magic Items 2 and Compendium 2, to give on-demand a try (as I can't get these books overseas from the Kickstarters). But I'm not too interested if they're going to be B&W . . .

* If you did, how fast was the delivery?: N/A

* If you have not, why?: I have older GURPS books in print, but for newer stuff, PDF is good. Search, even across multiple books, is so convenient on the desktop. For game play, a tablet with PDF (and print-outs of frequently referenced pages) works pretty well. And I love that all those books take up no physical space.

Bonus: What other books would you like to see released as a part of this program?: No suggestions for now.
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Old 02-13-2020, 09:53 PM   #33
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Yes, all GURPS POD books have B&W interiors.
Is this true for DFRPG Monsters 2 & Magic Items 2? And will it be true for DFRPG Companion 2? I know all the other books were B&W, but had assumed that these would be in color.
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Old 02-14-2020, 07:00 AM   #34
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* Have you ordered GURPS On Demand books?
No. I obtain out of print books from the second hand market (e.g. eBay and Amazon).

* If you did, how fast was the delivery?
N/A

* If you have not, why?
I do not want black-and-white books. I appreciate the desire to reduce costs and make more titles available more quickly to more people, but I am absolutely willing to pay more (perhaps even double?) for a fully color book. The colored page edges/tabs greatly enhance the usefulness of the books, and I am afraid certain blurbs/text boxes/tables would be harder to read in black-and-white.

Bonus: What other books would you like to see released as a part of this program?
I am new to GURPS...only started within the last year or so. My GURPS library is very small. I would be in favor of ANY 4e book in color, but especially the Tech and Magic/Thaumatology series. I would even be willing to buy an On Demand title I already own which was sourced from the secondhand market either to replace the used copy with a new one or simply to support the program!
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Old 02-14-2020, 12:41 PM   #35
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I know all the other books were B&W, but had assumed that these would be in color.
The 4e hard cover books have a fair MSRP. But many are out of print. So the choices (for those out of print editions) now are:
  • MSRP minus $10 for PDF only version
  • MSRP minus $5 for Amazon POD version, but that is softcover (color) with B&W interior
Neither of the above two choices are very appealing to me at all. Which makes me happy I bought several hard cover books early!

If the 4e POD books were interior color, and still at $5 less than the hardcover version, it think that would represent a fair value. I would still want to know about the paper quality though.

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Old 02-15-2020, 09:35 PM   #36
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I haven't ordered any of the DFRPG stuff as POD other than the original DFRPG Companion, since I missed the initial kickstarter for that, so all I can say is that the Companion is B&W interior.
I got the Companion as part of the Kickstarter. Not only was it in B&W, so were the three PDFs it was made from. This is not true of Monsters 2 or Magic Items 2 from the Kickstarters; both books were in full color, print and PDF.

But I don't know about the POD (I assume that SJGames is getting the copies for the Kickstarters from the Amazon POD given their quick turnaround, but don't know for sure). I'll probably be getting Companion 2 in POD because I just didn't have the money during the (short) kickstarter and hope it'll be in color.
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Old 02-15-2020, 10:56 PM   #37
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I got the Companion as part of the Kickstarter. Not only was it in B&W, so were the three PDFs it was made from.
Yep, the print DFRPG Companion from the Kickstarter has a color cover, but the inside is all B&W. Which means . . . the book was printed through Amazon POD for the Kickstarter? I don't know.

The PDFs of its three component books are also B&W. Which is a mystery to me: why would PDFs not be produced in color? There's some reason, I'm sure.

In the end, I expect DFRPG Magic Items 2 and Companion 2 (which I humorously mis-title Compendium 2 above) will arrive with color covers and B&W interiors when I get around to ordering them from Amazon POD. That'll be a small disappointment, but oh well. They won't look completely out of place, thanks to the existing Companion. : )
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Old 02-16-2020, 06:13 AM   #38
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If the 4e POD books were interior color, and still at $5 less than the hardcover version, it think that would represent a fair value.
You're failing to note the realities of inflation. GURPS High-Tech, for example, was released in 2007 at an MSRP of $37.95. If we adjust for inflation, that $37.95 is the equivalent of (approximately) $47.94 today.

If we reverse the numbers, the $29.95 price of GURPS High-Tech in POD today would be the equivalent of (approximately) $23.71 in 2007.

If we were to publish GURPS High-Tech as a color hardcover today, the MSRP would very likely be set at $49.95. Maybe even more than that, considering that Ghosts of Saltmarsh -- a 256-page Dungeons & Dragons color hardcover -- is priced at $49.95. And they print way, way more units of those D&D hardcovers than we would if we were printing GURPS High-Tech in color today.

Game lines that extend for decades often make the mistake of not adjusting for current conditions. And gamers who have followed lines for decades often forget that time marches on and, with it, the impact of inflation.

Based on market conditions and in-house costs, the GURPS On Demand books are priced as necessary.

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Old 02-17-2020, 10:09 AM   #39
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If we were to publish GURPS High-Tech as a color hardcover today, the MSRP would very likely be set at $49.95. Maybe even more than that...

Based on market conditions and in-house costs, the GURPS On Demand books are priced as necessary.
I understand and agree with your assessment, but I must ask why color versions of the POD titles are not available. Do you perceive a lack of interest in $50 paperback books? Are there additional setup costs that would prohibit the same title being offered in color and black-and-white? In my admittedly limited experience with POD, the costs are basically passed on to the consumer with very little risk to the author/designer. If you offer a color paperback version of High-Tech for $50, for example, but only 3 people buy it...is the company really shortchanged at all if the only difference is a printing setting of “color” vs. “black-and-white?

That is, I am working under the assumption that the print ready file is a grayscale version of an existing color version of the work or that you use the color version and define the POD setting as “black-and-white”, both of which would require little if any additional work to make a color version available.
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Old 02-17-2020, 12:03 PM   #40
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I understand and agree with your assessment, but I must ask why color versions of the POD titles are not available.
Costs. I'd have to take another look, but if I remember correctly we would have to price GURPS High-Tech around $65 as a full-color POD title.
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