08-22-2012, 06:02 AM | #161 |
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Re: [DF] Summoned allies questions:
I think the difference may be that a Summonable one is your loyal ally and is truly lost of killed. A conjured one is expendable, but requires a reaction roll to see if it will do what you want - that's the trade off. Of course, you could have a conjured Minion, but you'll pay +150% for it.
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08-22-2012, 07:35 AM | #162 | |
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08-22-2012, 07:42 AM | #163 | |
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So either Summonable should work 'exactly' like that, or Summonable gives you astonishingly functionality than Conjured. Makes no sense. |
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08-22-2012, 07:57 AM | #164 |
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Re: [DF] Summoned allies questions:
Not "To call on them again", but for replacements. Replacing a dead ally is totally not the same as teleporting them in from whatever safe place they go to when you dismiss them.
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08-22-2012, 08:38 AM | #165 |
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Re: [DF] Summoned allies questions:
Yes, there's a difference, but in what way is it different that matters to the logical construction or value placed of the trait?
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08-22-2012, 08:54 AM | #166 | |
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It seems to call it out specifically because many people would argue that since there different Allies you can summon them again immediately. It merely reinforces the existing idea that you cant use Summonable more often if its countered.
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08-22-2012, 09:32 AM | #167 |
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Re: [DF] Summoned allies questions:
You never call on a Conjured Ally "again". You get a new version, a replacement, each time you use the ability, whether the previous one was killed or dismissed. Is your position that it's faster to get the next version if the current one is killed, rather than dismissed?
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08-22-2012, 10:05 AM | #168 | |
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Conjuration changes the conditions of Ally Death and Ally Replacement, along with Ally friendlyness. Otherwise it is as per Summonable, and doesn't further modify getting the Ally to your location and sending it away. ---- I think we need to separate two different conversations here, because it's getting a little muddled. One conversation is about what the books actually say, and the official rulings. The other conversation is about "Hang what the books actually say or don't say, this is what we figure it should be." There seems to be a lot of people that think they're having conversation B arguing with the people discussing A, and people discussing A getting crosswired with B conversations. Since the threadsurrection, I haven't talked about B at all. I already made houserules about Summonable the first time around, and the game I'm in are also using houserules. I'm talking about A because exploring the technicalities is interesting to me.
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08-22-2012, 10:27 AM | #169 | |
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A: It does not make sense. The interpretation given by Kromm on this thread makes no sense in the context of what already exists. |
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