09-04-2017, 11:52 PM | #11 |
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Re: Surgery - How does it work?
I'm a vet (the animal not the soldier type) so I have a reasonable understanding on how surgery works.
I'm not saying that surgery should make things magically better but it does have an immediate and beneficial effect on the patient. Certainly return to normal function is much quicker (almost instant in some cases, other than pain). A massive increase in healing is also appropriate, wound edges join together better if they are in apposition for example. I think, there needs to be a better way of handling surgery is all. I will do this with house-rules but I just wanted to double-check my reading of the rules was correct, i.e. I didn't miss anything. Thanks, Wayne |
09-05-2017, 12:26 AM | #12 |
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Re: Surgery - How does it work?
I still say that surgery is about stopping the patient from dying and removing impediments to healing FAR more than healing itself.
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09-05-2017, 12:56 AM | #13 | |
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Re: Surgery - How does it work?
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As suggested by Varyon in a Cinematic game it might fit and at least now you have your answer, you did not miss anything. Its just part of what your referring to as Surgery (suturing wounds) is covered by First Aid (good for the players since its an easier skill) and some of the other things would not be HP damage but more a crippling wound where surgery can allow proper healing.
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09-05-2017, 12:56 AM | #14 | |
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Re: Surgery - How does it work?
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If you have a Mortal Wound, surgery is the way to stabilize it. So in the case of mortal wounds, surgery has an immediate beneficial effect on the patient. You get the surgery, you don't die. Surgery also does give the benefit of a massive increase in healing. You can use surgery to repair a lasting crippling injury. If you heal on your own it takes months to heal. If you have surgery it only takes weeks to heal. If you use the Severe Bleeding rules from Martial Arts, only Surgery can stop bleeding from the skull, eye, neck, vitals, veins or arteries. So, no surgery there will mean death. Surgery will mean an immediate beneficial effect. And of course surgery can instal prosthetics, cyberware, etc. |
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09-05-2017, 01:00 AM | #15 | |
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Re: Surgery - How does it work?
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After a successful surgery roll, the patient gets an additional roll on the Medical Help Table per day equal to the number of days that the roll succeeded by. If the roll fails then no further rolls are allowed. If the roll is a critical failure, then this represents a complication such as infection, wound breakdown etc. Is that a reasonable compromise? It allows for faster healing after successful surgery (which currently does nothing) but is not a magic wand of hit points. |
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09-05-2017, 01:41 AM | #16 |
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Re: Surgery - How does it work?
But you do currently have faster healing after surgery to repair lasting crippling injuries...going from months to weeks. So...what you want seems already to be in the rules.
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09-05-2017, 01:51 AM | #17 |
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Re: Surgery - How does it work?
I'm obviously at odds with everyone else.
Maybe my experience with animals (who have much (much much) higher pain thresholds than we do) has clouded my judgement. I'm sorry for wasting people's time… |
09-05-2017, 02:05 AM | #18 |
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Re: Surgery - How does it work?
Perhaps you're missing the extra healing rolls that Physician's care gives.
I think Vets count as Physician, so caring for animals post surgery would speed up healing.
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09-05-2017, 02:11 AM | #19 | |
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Re: Surgery - How does it work?
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Having said that, maybe that's all people get after intensive care… |
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09-05-2017, 03:24 AM | #20 |
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Re: Surgery - How does it work?
Weird that we're this far in the thread and nobody has quoted the book.
The purpose of Surgery is detailed in B424. You can stabilize a mortal wound, so someone who is dying will stop dying and start recovering. You can repair a crippling wound, assuming it can be fixed, so that it can heal on its own. You can also repair permanent crippling wounds with sufficient technological prowess (for example, inserting cybernetics). Surgery doesn't heal you. It allows you to heal.
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