12-23-2006, 08:28 PM | #11 |
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Re: Lord of the Rings Elven Racial Template
This subject is far too complicated for most to deal with. You might be the few that actually have something to put in.
I would note that a few of the representative characters differ directly from what Tolkien described as a generalization for the subsets of the Quendi. To me that means his descriptions might have been almost metaphorical, perhaps the spirit of the race, rather than direct abilities.
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As far as the glowing goes, I believe you refer to the following quote: “They bore no lights, yet as they walked a shimmer, like the light of the moon above he rim of the hills before it rises, seemed to fall about their feet.” I saw that myself and wondered if the was innate to certain branch of elves or if this were elven “magic”. BTW – I am not sure how I want to handle magic in Middle-earth yet. I gave them all Magery One. I seemed to fit regardless of the route I go. That is to be considered later, but is something I want the rules to address in some way or another. Quote:
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Thank you for the responses everyone. I think I got enough to make a revision. I’ll try posting a second version a little later on… Gavynn
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NOLDO It costs 373 points to play a Noldor elf. Attribute Modifiers +1 Strength [10] +1 Intelligence [20] +1 Dexterity [20] +1 Health [10] Languages Sindarian (Native/Fully Literate) [0] Quenya (Native/Fully Literate) [6] Westron (Native/Fully Literate) [6] Secondary Characteristics Strong Will (+5) [25] (B.16) Racial Advantages Unfazeable [15] (B.95) See Invisible (Spirits) [15] True Faith (Turning +65%) [25] (B.94) Medium [10] (B.68, P.59) Spirit Empathy [10] (B.88) Social Regard (+2) [10] (B.86) Does not apply to Dwarves Racial Disadvantages Sense of Duty – Elves [-15] (B.153) Features Dying Race [0] Build – Add three inches to height [0] Recommendations Noldor Elves are suitable for the Weapon Master (B.99) advantage and/or Trained by a Master (B.93). Also, the great Noldor Warriors are eligible for weapon skills in the 22 or 23 range. At the discretion of the GM the greatest of all Noldor Warriors may possess weapon skills in the 24-26 range. Those elves who have been to the Blessed Realms may have the skill of Exorcism by virtue of their Of Two Worlds ability. Likewise, the Noldor are renowned for their skill at crafts and lore. Those Noldor who have dwelt in th Blessed Realms are likely to have high and varying lore skills. Thos elves who learned craftsmanship at the forge of Aule are likely to have exceedingly high craft skills (in the 22-23 range, or even the 24-26 range for the greatest of Elven Craftsmen. NOTE: The template above assumes the character is one of those elves who have dwelt in Aman. For those Noldor who have been born after their return to Middle-earth should not possess those advantages related to the “Of Two Worlds” ability. It costs 298 points to play a Noldor that has never been across the sea. FURTHER NOTE: The Unfazable advantage granted to the Noldor is related to their time spent in the Undying Lands. Any Noldor born to Exile parents would not possess this advantage. Additionally, this advantage is overmatched by any creature causing cosmic terror. In the case that a fright check is called for due to a creature causing cosmic terror, the elf rolls the fright check normally. SINDA It costs 317 points to play a Sindar Elf Attribute Modifiers +2 Dexterity [40] +1 Intelligence [20] Languages Sindarian (Native/Fully Literate) [0] Westron (Native/Fully Literate) [6] Secondary Characteristics Strong Will (+3) [15] (B.16) Racial Advantages Talent (Musical Ability) +2 [10] (B.89) Voice [10] (B.93) Social Regard (+2) [10] (B.86) Does not apply to Dwarves Features Dying Race [0] Build – Add two inches to height [0] SYLVAN It costs 281 points to play a Sylvan elf. Attribute Modifiers +2 Dexterity [40] Languages Bethteur (Native/Fully Literate) [0] Sindarian (Native/Fully Literate) [6] Secondary Characteristics Strong Will (+2) [10] (B.16) Racial Advantages Talent (Woodcrafty) +2 [10] Plant Empathy [5] (B.75) Social Regard (+1) [5] (B.86) Does not apply to Dwarves Quirks Mildly Xenophobic [-1] Features Dying Race [0] Build – Add one inch to height [0] ALL ELVES Secondary Characteristics Increased Perception (+5) [25] (B.16) Racial Advantages Magery Level Zero [5] (B.66) Talent (Animal Friend) Four [20] (B.89) Temperature Tolerance [10] (B.93) Appearance (Attractive) [4] (B.21) Danger Sense [15] (B.47) Does not sleep [20] (B.50) Telescopic Vision x5 [25] (B.92) Fearless + 5 [10] (B.55) Perfect Balance [15] (B.74) Rapid Healing [5] (B.79) Combat Reflexes [15] (B.43) Unaging [15] (B.95) Immunity to Sickness [15] Acute Hearing +4 [8] (B.35) Acute Vision +2 [4] B.35 Racial Disadvantages Sense of Duty – Nature [-15] (B.15) Racial Skill Bonuses +3 to Stealth [6] +3 to Light Walk [6] Racial Quirks Distrust of Dwarves [-1] Sensitive to Black Speech [-1] Features Does not grow facial hair (until great age) [0] Gracefully Pointed Ears [0] Immune to Fear Caused by the Spirits of Men [0]
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12-25-2006, 11:12 AM | #15 | |
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For that, I think you're pretty close with your templates for the generic abilities of the race...er, Gavynn, that is.
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12-26-2006, 05:49 AM | #16 |
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I think these look rather nice.
Some extra suggestions: I'd personally drop the Acute Senses, and just go with the Per bonus. This would simplify the template and would also be more economical points-wise. (Not necessarily a concern, I know.) We don't hear about elves having particularly acute touch, taste, or smell, but I think it's a reasonable guess that it just doesn't come up in the narration. Also, the racial skill bonuses. I think Acrobatics should be included in addition to Stealth and Light Walk (also because it's a prerequisite for the latter) but I also think they should be combined into a racial talent, as per p. B452 (possibly padded with one or two extra skills like Dancing or Jumping) or just forgotten. A generous bonus to DX might be quite enough. |
12-26-2006, 08:07 AM | #17 | |
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You may want to try to get a copy of ICe's Lord of middle earth (LOME) if you can borrow one for free .... Elf were in tome 1, immortals, if i remenber ... it's really awfull, but there was some nearly exhaustive overview of all of tolkien elfs (and other races) aspects, besides the rolemaster game stuff. Or i may be wrong and it was in another book. But i remenber one of those having several pages of dense text on various elfs lineage, who get into aman or not, who did what, wich could do what ... mine are in storage away, or i would check.
(Just don't look at the stats for the people/items .. its beyond ridiculous ... the +15 umbrella of lobelia baggins (strike as a mace) or the PP calculation of morgoth (a 5 digit number, and i am pretty sure the last digit was a 4, just in case he wanted to cast an extra firebolt ... ) or the great huor (hurin ?), who had about skill 350 in axe, of wich only 1 points (well, 5) came from training... ) This said, -perhaps elves should get unkillable 3, with the limitation that they must reform in mandos caves ? otoh, its a lot of point to basically said that they are out of the game if dead ... (feanor being the only one who traded it for spirit form and faded away ) -i wouldnt get elves any iq racial bonus. they have some great minds, but i don't remenber them being a genius race. Language and craft talents, definitively. -tolkien world is definitively a low 'mundane magic' world. is there a reason for the racial magery ? perhaps rather a alchemy variant ? -Elven enchantement (iq,vh): using innate material property and linking them with spirits realm elements, elven crafter can imbue many virtues into their craftmanship. with a few 'fastly made' flashy 'elexir/charms' for the wood elves illusions toys, and some 'take 100000000$ in material and 30 years time, 16 hour a day, -19 to roll ' techniques for some of feanor and celebrimbor greatest hits... add some divination, mind shield and some psy/faith healing, and you have all of elven magic covered. (galadriel and elrond exceptionnal feats could very well be atributed to either the rings, or the mystical link of a king to his realm: ie a good reaction roll to the local spirit world) -i remenber seeing at thread about it but didnt followed it, but if someone posted a working 'dual-world-critter' package, elves back from aman qualifies : they are present in both the spirit world and middle earth, and their 'true' form is the spirit one. Quote:
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