01-15-2020, 04:41 PM | #21 |
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Re: Basic Set: CIA/FBI/NSA
When the CIA captures someone that's not an arrest. It's just a kidnapping by guys with legal immunity. Not only do the CIA have legal immunity in the United States for the things they do outside the U.S and by arrangement with certain governments, but in less friendly nations they often have diplomatic immunity because they have an official cover as a State Department official. The NSA just do electronic intelligence gathering so they usually don't need anything.
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01-15-2020, 07:23 PM | #22 |
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Re: Basic Set: CIA/FBI/NSA
If he is caught in Bolivia. If they were capturing or killing a person they were told to go after or it happened in reasonable part of a authorized mission they won't get extradited even if Bolivia has a solid case unlike a normal person. I remember a case where a bounty hunter grabbed a fugitive in Canada and brought them back to the US. When Canada sent a extradition request they got the bounty hunter but we kept the fugitive. I believe the bounty hunter ended up spending longer in prison then the fugitive.
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01-16-2020, 06:18 AM | #23 |
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Re: Basic Set: CIA/FBI/NSA
I doubt anyone would argue that soldiers have Legal Enforcement Powers on their character sheet because they can kill people in foreign countries (international jurisdiction, kill with relative impunity, not obligated to respect the civil rights of others) and not be prosecuted for it at home (or often, in the country with jurisdiction, especially with a status of forces agreement in place).
To fit into existing rules, it's either LEP or Legal Immunity (a lot of overlap there), but I'd probably invent a new sub-category of the latter. If I felt obliged to account for it, though. In most games, I expect it'd be either a campaign advantage or genre convention (World/Weird War II, spy adventure), and so not really needing to be accounted for. The points only matter when it's an ability one character has an another one doesn't, and that distinction is an important enabler of or restriction on character behavior. (In which case the difference might better be represented as a Disadvantage relative to the campaign norm, instead of an Advantage. This is the classic Western trope where the hero exists in the lawless Wild West, yet is compelled by his own internal code to act properly -- Code of Honor, Sense of Duty, etc.) |
01-16-2020, 07:10 AM | #24 | |
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01-16-2020, 10:30 AM | #25 |
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Re: Basic Set: CIA/FBI/NSA
Honestly even if a CIA operative totally went off the reservation they still wouldn't extradite him because the resulting trial would be too embarrassing. The only penalties would be internal and administrative.
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01-16-2020, 12:50 PM | #26 | |
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But similarly, a beat cop (5pt LEP) would face different repercussions for shooting someone while off-duty than he would while in uniform. Thus, it's presumed that an individuals "illegal" actions are in pursuit of a mission objective, and not for their own personal reasons. Nevertheless, as DJ2 points out, both cases would probably have fewer consequences than an average Joe committing the same acts.
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01-16-2020, 01:06 PM | #27 | |
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An enemy country they would be arrested but might still get exchanged in a prisoner swap or other considerations. The KGB had authority in East Germany, not just the USSR.
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01-16-2020, 01:39 PM | #28 | |
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This is true for "deep cover" agents (one that don't have "official cover" and therefore Legal Immunity (Diplomatic Immunity)). A CIA agent who breaks the law in Bolivia and does have diplomatic immunity in most cases will at worst be sent home. The exceptions are if the US is willing to waive diplomatic immunity or Bolivia is willing to cause a major diplomatic incident by violating diplomatic immunity. |
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01-16-2020, 01:58 PM | #29 |
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Re: Basic Set: CIA/FBI/NSA
Depending on the setting (and other factors), the penalty may be 'shot in the back of the head and dumped in a convenient hole.'
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