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Old 10-03-2016, 10:51 AM   #1
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So, I know that by using Ally and modeling it a bit, I could make a Necromancer with an army of undead. But, how can I make a spell that raises undead which are not even slightly my friend? If I stay close to them, I could be attacked and etc.
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Old 10-03-2016, 10:54 AM   #2
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This might sound odd to do, but I would model it with Enemy disadvantage coupled in. Roll against Ally to summon. Roll against enemy to make them hostile or friendly.

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Oh wait, I see what you're saying. You mean raise an NPC that is effectively neutral or will attack everyone... the option above might still apply for pricing it. You could build the Ally advantage then build enemy along side it and find the difference in cost to fund it.

Though in general, looking at something like infectious bites, if something isn't ally or enemy inherently, or offers no real exploitable advantage, it becomes 0 points. It's almost like how a species that can give birth to more of themselves is worth 0 points because more NPCs isn't necessarily an advantage.

It's hard to say really.
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Old 10-03-2016, 10:56 AM   #3
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There's always the Unwilling modifier for Ally (B38).

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You have obtained your Ally through coercion (e.g., blackmail or magical binding). You do not have to treat him as well as you would a normal Ally. However, he hates you and is likely to act accordingly
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There's always the Unwilling modifier for Ally (B38).
True, it's closer to what OP wants, but that still starts them on your side as an Ally instead of just a neutral party.
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There's always the Unwilling modifier for Ally (B38).
The problems is that they are NOT allies, they are NPC's who hunger for Vital Force, and have the Undead trait.

And I'd rather not do something 0 point, as it seems too OP for a Cult of the Damned to be able to do like childsplay.

And building them as a mix of ally or enemy doesnt appeal to me, as they could sometimes help you randomly, but they dont help anyone :/, they just eat.
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Old 10-03-2016, 11:11 AM   #6
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True, it's closer to what OP wants, but that still starts them on your side as an Ally instead of just a neutral party.
I wouldn't rate that as more than an extra -10%. Maybe just a feature.


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The problems is that they are NOT allies
As always with GURPS, don't get too hung up on the name of the ability. Look at the mechanical effects, and see if it's what you want. You can rename things to suit the concept for free.
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Old 10-03-2016, 11:14 AM   #7
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That simply sounds like an character with a series of obnoxious disadvantages. Someone with Blood Lust [-lots] and Bad Temper (auto failure) [-lots] is compelled to turn on anyone who doesn't immediately give them what they want. If you add Compulsive Behaviour (Consume eat the flesh of sentient beings) [-lots] then what they want becomes your tasty meat.
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Old 10-03-2016, 11:16 AM   #8
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The problems is that they are NOT allies, they are NPC's who hunger for Vital Force, and have the Undead trait.

And I'd rather not do something 0 point, as it seems too OP for a Cult of the Damned to be able to do like childsplay.

And building them as a mix of ally or enemy doesnt appeal to me, as they could sometimes help you randomly, but they dont help anyone :/, they just eat.
The question is how is it OP? You just created something that is going to eat you too. An example of what I'm talking about is the boomer from Left 4 Dead as statted by GURPS writers. It's not really an advantage for the boomer to blow up and kill everyone, despite it's possibility of killing it's enemies, because it dies too.

Similarly, creating something you can't tell to attack only the bad guys, is going to be a problem for you and the enemy.
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Old 10-03-2016, 11:19 AM   #9
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As always with GURPS, don't get too hung up on the name of the ability. Look at the mechanical effects, and see if it's what you want. You can rename things to suit the concept for free.
An ally you cannot give requests/orders to is not an Ally. That's what my point is. The Advantage of Ally is that it lets you create something you can direct and the limitation proposed says "You can direct it with limits". No direction on Ally is effectively -100% as in not an ally. It's like saying "Invisibility, that can't turn you invisible". We've all seen Mystery Men!
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Old 10-03-2016, 11:24 AM   #10
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The question is how is it OP? You just created something that is going to eat you too. An example of what I'm talking about is the boomer from Left 4 Dead as statted by GURPS writers. It's not really an advantage for the boomer to blow up and kill everyone, despite it's possibility of killing it's enemies, because it dies too.
There actually is a modifier for that effect, it's a -300% limitation, to be activated with a death trigger, or to die as soon as you use. Don't know where I found it, but it's written on my notepade "Interesting Stuff" hahaha.

Well, it's kind of OP because, even though they can attack you, you have control over it, even though it's only at the start. You spawn them and run away while they are getting up from their graves.

This control over the situation is, IMHO, something strong. And comming for nothing, is kind of TOO strong. I hope I made myself clear, hahaha, sorry.

If there's no RAW info about it, I guess I'll throw a modified Unwilling. Giving it an extra -10%? I guess that would move from Unwilling into Non cooperative, or something like that haha
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