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10-01-2016, 05:44 PM | #152 | |
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Who doesn't joke about Batman having the greatest super power in comics as well as real life; money? Rocky at least had hard work montages of using low tech training methods.
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10-03-2016, 11:26 PM | #153 | |||
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That said, since much fiction is read/watched for pleasure, the conformist side probably never dominates its side of the cycle quite as much as the indulgent one does when it's on top, precisely because the indulgent one is indulgent. That said, though... Quote:
The trouble is that people don't like that backbeat, it's too much like reality. It's not as much fun. They often did the same thing with Don Quixote, turning a character meant as a rebuke of Romantic daydreams and fiction into an embodiment of that. That said, again... Quote:
In Casablanca, we get an ending that specifically embodies a recognition that Duty comes ahead of Desire, albeit itself done Romantically. But Rick and Ilsa are certainly True Love. The only trouble is that True Love doesn't matter, when the world is on fire, as Rick points out. Even if they did run away together, the knowledge that they had betrayed their duty would poison whatever happiness that they might find. What strikes me as interesting about both cases is that they are instances of legendarily popular 'love stories' that end in the failure or at least the subordination of that love. Not that endless fanfic writers haven't tried to put together a scenario that makes it go the other way, but nobody's ever pulled it off convincingly. The popularity of those rare exceptions tells me that people do know that 'follow your heart' is shallow nonsense. |
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10-04-2016, 04:02 AM | #154 | |
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I don't think anyone would want to be Alonso Quixana as much fun as journeying with him for a few days might appear.
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10-04-2016, 05:50 AM | #155 |
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The D&D/Pathfinder paladin who sleeps around a lot anytime he/she can, abusing their immunity to disease and the fact he/she was born sterile, and also is a big bondage freak.
After all, as long as it's done with all participants agreeing on their all free will, and no trickery like false promises was used, everyone was honest about what would and wouldn't be expected, and every possible precaution ensuring nothing dangerous happens, in short, as long as it's fully Safe Sane and Consensual, sex is neither evil nor chaotic right? The Lawful Good D&D/Pathfinder Rogue. Maybe the ex military type, or the medieval fantasy equivalent of an EOD Specialist working for the town militia, or maybe a normal citizen of a Lawful Good country which was invaded by an Evil Empire and has to fight an enemy superior in numbers and logistics and as such has to improvise. Last edited by WaterAndWindSpirit; 10-04-2016 at 06:12 AM. |
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10-04-2016, 07:10 PM | #157 |
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Depends on societal norms, really. With the sexual paradigm of the modern urban US, not really Evil per se, although it might strike some as chaotic behavior, or at least neutral, and thus unbecoming of a Paladin. On the other hand, with a sexual paradigm based on your typical fantasy realm, yes, casually sleeping around would be at least Evil-leaning...
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10-04-2016, 07:40 PM | #158 |
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Sleeping around usually means indiscriminate promiscuity, not just numerous no-strings-attached sexual partners. At least it does to me and others, if not everyone that uses that term.
It may not work for paragons of virtue in practice as well as theory. Unless extreme care and prep work is done to gauge potential flings, it's risky emotionally as well as medically.
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10-04-2016, 07:42 PM | #159 | |
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World Of Warcraft has some lovely examples of them.
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10-04-2016, 09:22 PM | #160 |
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At least Indy rarely uses dynamite as a tool of archeology. Some of the real early ones did. It's a fun thing to contrast 19C reality to what we call 'unrealistic' sometimes.
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