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Old 09-17-2019, 08:39 AM   #11
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One wonders how they would deal with compassion fatigue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassion_fatigue
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Old 09-17-2019, 08:53 AM   #12
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Functionally I think this is a society with positive Empathy and positive Gregariousness. The Gregariousness gives you large, dense settlements with a lot of economic opportunities and probably a high division of labor. The Empathy gives you concern for others' feelings. Aliens may be in conflict between wanting to get away from constantly having to be surrounded by other aliens with needs, and being unhappy and less functional when they're alone.

I would guess that there will be a lot of projects done by large labor pools, but there won't be much use of technology, because investing in technology requires capital accumulation, and it's hard to accumulate capital if other people's needs are a claim on you.
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Old 09-17-2019, 10:19 AM   #13
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Humanoid - Racial ability Telesend, Broadcast, Racial, Vague, Always On.

Species is Chummy to Gregarious.

Vague is very strictly emotions. Usually the recipient can learn that someone is experiencing an emotion and the magnitude of it but doesn't feel it themselves unless it is very strong or there is a close tie to the sender.

How does something like this play out on the macro scale?
How big is your macro scale.

In such a society any deception may be considered the height of bad manners.

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Mob rule and mindless panic during disasters? That always on is the big killer, IMO.
There is no evidence of this. In most disasters there is panic but also the willingness to help and assist. Unless it is a war like situation where panic may ensue.

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Yeah... I see a "pure' communist mob that reacts in masses to threats, panics, etc. But also mobilizes easily and organizes naturally for relief efforts and group support.

Or more likely than pure communism would be groups of Big Man reciprocity societal/economic groups, "communist" in whole, but localized around central leadership. Possibly even being a republic in governmental form.

Did this idea arise from the latest Sluggy Freelance storyline?
The big man theory is nothing with this scenario. The only way a Big man can have an impact is with state of armed bodies of men.

The problem we have is the scenario is truly speculative. We have no historic examples to look back on to a view. It could be like a bee hive where if attacked they will swarm but with the added benefit of free will and the ability to abstractly think (eg what is the best way to swarm).
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Old 09-17-2019, 10:31 AM   #14
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This seems very reminiscent of Mercerism from Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?, wherein those who are tapped into the Mercer “feed” (basically a VR “sensie” on constant loop) can feel the emotions of others. There is a great sense of community there, and “downers” are welcome, as while their negative emotions can bring others down, the positive emotions of the other users can help uplift them and get them out of their funk, deal with their loss, or whatever. Might be worth a look, at least. Of course, that version is optional.
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Old 09-17-2019, 02:07 PM   #15
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One wonders how they would deal with compassion fatigue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassion_fatigue
I think the greater fatigue would be constantly having to explain to others that you're fine when they know you're not.

There would have to be some kind of social norm that even if you know someone is suffering you have to give them the illusion of privacy. Our entire idea of intimacy is based around these feelings that we share privately. If you had no way to stop others from knowing those feelings it's effectively like everyone is in your business all of the time.

This is starting to sound a lot like a species that doesn't go out much.
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Old 09-17-2019, 02:11 PM   #16
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There is no evidence of this. In most disasters there is panic but also the willingness to help and assist. Unless it is a war like situation where panic may ensue.
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I wasn't talking about real world humanity. We don't have to literally feel others' terrors and pain during disasters. Imagine if we did.
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Old 09-17-2019, 03:36 PM   #17
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I honestly think the aliens would be rather pathetic.

Now, how about an alien species that can turn its memory of pain into a weapon? You could have Affliction 1 (Agony, +100%; Malediction 1, +100%; No Signature, +20%, Psionic, -10%) [31], allowing the aliens to flay the minds of human visitors with their memories of pain. Battles would be conducted with Contests of Wills as well as with weapons.
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Old 09-17-2019, 04:14 PM   #18
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Usually the recipient can learn that someone is experiencing an emotion and the magnitude of it but doesn't feel it themselves unless it is very strong or there is a close tie to the sender.
I think a lot of answers are forgetting this: The communication doesn't make you feel the emotion, it just lets you know what it is. Unless its very strong. Which I'd argue is quite similar to human body language and speech. Its just that we can conceal our emotions when we feel like it.

While the society may be worse at deceit, they may also have a much stronger sense of irony and sarcasm, as its easier to be obvious that you mean something other than what you're saying.
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Old 09-17-2019, 04:32 PM   #19
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The big man theory is nothing with this scenario.
A properly charismatic Big Man could easily have people in his gravity that believe in him, after all they can see that he's genuine in his emotions! Cult of Personality leaderships would be way easier to implement, and they'd be far more likely to benevolent!
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There are pathologies of compassion. Your brother-in-law may have drunk up the rent money; but if you step in and give him a check so that your sister and her children won't be out in the street, you have just encouraged him to drink up the next month's rent money too.

Ethical philosophers, discussing utilitarian theories, have come up with the concept of a "utility monster": given that the ethical goal is the greatest happiness of the greatest number, if there are people who feel more intensely than the rest of us, they are entitled to be given greater consideration, to increase the sum of happiness. In our world it's not really possible to measure this. But in your world it would be. So if there are people who suffer deeply from any lack of satisfaction, other people will disproportionately try to do nice things from them, and they will gain from this, leading to a tendency to breed for intense feelings—in the long run, for the power to dominate other people by NEEDING things from them.

Or as C told me decades ago, when we first met, "Life is opportunistic."
Pathologies of compassion noted.

I wonder if in a society that experiences this if they would turn on the 'utility monsters'? Exile them from the family/village/company etc. It is not like the people feeling the broadcast of other people's despondency can't do resource allocation math. I would want to look at some counter intuitive responses that would look like the local group of family, friends, and co-workers just snap after being tasked for some time by such a utility monster and refuse to help any further. Tough love and all of that.

I think the society would put resources into manifesting the idea of being self-sufficient and helping others. Varying very far from the norm should make a person in that society question if they are being a drag on society?
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