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Old 04-13-2019, 05:34 PM   #1
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What would it take to be a master of Flame Jet combat?

I was talking this over with @Yssa recently. We were thinking you would want Ambidexterity so that you could dual wield. Spell skill at 20 so you could maintain 2d for free (with an eventual goal of 25). The hard part is defense. You can't parry, so you'd want to have good mobility with a high dodge. Maybe Acrobatics?

Has anyone tried this?
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Old 04-13-2019, 07:06 PM   #2
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Dont forget jet skill.
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Old 04-13-2019, 07:26 PM   #3
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The hard part is defense. You can't parry, so you'd want to have good mobility with a high dodge.
Don't eschew the parry so quickly.

If you sneak a GURPS book into your DFRPG, Magic (p. 73) says that a "GM may allow a Flame Jet to parry another Flame Jet."

But that always made me wonder, what really happens if you try to parry a flame jet with a water jet . . .
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Old 04-13-2019, 08:07 PM   #4
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If you sneak a GURPS book into your DFRPG, Magic (p. 73) says that a "GM may allow a Flame Jet to parry another Flame Jet."
No need to be sneaky. Under Jet Spells (Spells, p. 12), it says explicitly that jet spells "cannot parry or be parried by anything other than the same variety of jet." This would be pretty rare, though I'd definitely like to see two wizards dueling with flame jets.

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But that always made me wonder, what really happens if you try to parry a flame jet with a water jet . . .
I have wondered about that too. The default is probably no effect beyond a burst of steam or something. But what about attacking the other weapon directly?
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Old 04-13-2019, 08:17 PM   #5
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Don't eschew the parry so quickly.

If you sneak a GURPS book into your DFRPG, Magic (p. 73) says that a "GM may allow a Flame Jet to parry another Flame Jet."

But that always made me wonder, what really happens if you try to parry a flame jet with a water jet . . .
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Old 04-13-2019, 09:40 PM   #6
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But that always made me wonder, what really happens if you try to parry a flame jet with a water jet . . .
I'd allow it. We need more Blue Magic Saber wielders fighting Red Magic Saber wielders in these games...
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Old 04-15-2019, 08:08 AM   #7
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From p. 49 of Adventurers: "Enhanced Block, Dodge, or Parry [...] Enhanced Dodge: You have +1 per level to your Dodge score [...] Most delvers can buy just one level of each trait. Combat Reflexes (p. 48) gives +1 to all defenses for 15 points, so buy that before Enhanced Dodge."

From p. 93 of Exploits: "Attributes and Secondary Characteristics: Anyone can raise these, subject to certain limits [...] Basic Speed can't exceed its figured value +2."

So in principle, a delver of any profession can decide to be Dodge-focused on defense and take Basic Speed +2.00 [40], Combat Reflexes [15], Enhanced Dodge 1 [15], for 70 points. With a little tinkering (mainly to adjust DX 12 [40], HT 11 [10], Basic Speed 6.00 [5] to DX 13 [60], HT 11 [10], Basic Speed 6.00 [0] before starting . . . another 15 points, please), you could get a wizard with Dodge 13 this way.

Of course, a wizard would probably find it more efficient to spend those 85 points on Haste-25 [32] and Shield-30 [52], and walk around maintaining +3 to Dodge and DB 4 for free all day. On several friends, too . . .
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Optimizing a wizard for No Mana Zones is usually considered misuse of resources.
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Optimizing a wizard for No Mana Zones is usually considered misuse of resources.
/spittake

Oy, you got a loicense for that rapier wit?
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Old 04-15-2019, 09:58 AM   #10
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Wizard has the most options, but it could be possible for a half-elf swashbuckler to be very good at using a flame jet.
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