02-04-2020, 10:46 PM | #4591 |
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Re: New Reality Seeds
Giving Centrum a world full of Nazis could be one heck of a poisoned gift. I wonder--if it looked like it would shift to Centrum-accessible only timelines, might some nutcase set things up so that, IF it reached Centrum's quantum, they got The Secret?
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02-05-2020, 07:08 PM | #4592 | |
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Re: New Reality Seeds
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02-06-2020, 02:33 AM | #4593 | |
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Re: New Reality Seeds
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02-07-2020, 10:05 AM | #4594 |
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Re: New Reality Seeds
The Thirty Years War is one those historical change points that doesn't get enough attention in the English speaking lands. Now I've suggested having Gustavus Adolphus survive the Battle of Lutzen. Gustavus was 38 at the time of the battle, if he brings the Catholic powers to the negotiating table and gets something like the Treaty of Westphalia sixteen years early the knockon effects are vast.
All the major powers would redirect their energies. Austria had wanted to attack the Ottoman state during this period. Allow them a free hand to strike east without worrying about their rear and you could have a new crusade. The Ottomans might have stated thinking about how the Europeans had changed about a century early when they had a chance to do something about it. Without the financial and political pressures of the Thirty Years War, always a background issue in early 17th century England, Charles might not have fought with Parliament so often. Certainly the disgust of the more Protestant members of Charles subjects, that Charles wasted money on luxury but spent not one penny aiding the Protestant Cause, would be reduced. The manipulations of Papal Nuncio Giovanni Battista Rinuccini were shaped by the Thirty Years War. He feared that Cromwell would lead an English Army (The New Model Army) to Germany. So he wanted Ireland to keep Cromwell busy. Thus he made https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_Ireland]the leaders of Confederate Ireland[/url] swear oaths, on pain of excommunication, that forced them to commit to a conquest of Britain and the enforcement of Catholicism on the British people, knowing full well that this would lead to an invasion of Ireland and a slaughter of vast numbers of Irish people. Remove the Nuncio's motivation and you remove much of the most brutal slaughters in Irish history. You might also remove Rinuccini's book which was little but some of the foulest slanders against the Irish. The whole direction of removing the Thirty Years war early would be to unleash Europe's energies into exploration and colonialism early. That might sound like a small difference, but it would mean Europe and the East start on more equal terms and the East has a better chance to catch up and adapt. Also, it leads to truly vast knock on changes even among societies totally marginal to the Thirty Years War.
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02-07-2020, 10:08 AM | #4595 |
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Re: New Reality Seeds
The link the got botched was to Confederate Ireland.
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02-07-2020, 10:32 AM | #4596 |
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Re: New Reality Seeds
I've always wondered if the 30 years war was key to the success of the early american colonies. If spain isn't involved in the war as long, do they have the resources and focus to see off or conquer the English settlers who are on land spain claims?
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02-07-2020, 03:10 PM | #4597 | |
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Re: New Reality Seeds
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02-07-2020, 04:32 PM | #4598 |
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Re: New Reality Seeds
Good point. Spain bitterly resented first the English and then the American presence. The Viceroy of Mexico, upon hearing of the Lewis and Clark Expedition, sent troops north into the Louisiana Territory to kill them. Spain would have loved to snuff out those colonies and only Virginia was favored/respected by the crown.
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It would depend whether outside Homeline actors knew about this world. If it was just the discovering team at Infinity, maybe it could be shunted over to ISWAT. But if anyone else on Homeline sees Hitler or Stalin killed, they'll know it was Infinity that was responsible. And I always thought that ISWAT and the like just handled the super-powerful worlds, ones with magic, psionics, supers, etc. And it's not like killing Hitler and/or Stalin is going to solve the problem of FDR's death. America might still spin out, and a more effective totalitarian leader(s) might rise. Quote:
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02-08-2020, 04:32 PM | #4600 | |
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For changepoints I'd wonder about some better overall resolution to Catholic-Protestant, or some deaths or survivals among the Hapsburgs leaving the less unified (or more unified). (I should note that most of my knowledge of the era comes from the 1632 series.)
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