Keep on the Borderlands - Page 2

Balor Patch · 01-08-2021, 12:19 AM

The first nine sessions of Peter's Felltower campaign (see under https://dungeonfantastic.blogspot.co...-campaign.html) were in the KotB Caves of Chaos.

Pbuckley · 01-08-2021, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Balor Patch

The first nine sessions of Peter's Felltower campaign (see under https://dungeonfantastic.blogspot.co...-campaign.html) were in the KotB Caves of Chaos.

Oh this will be super useful.

I really want to thank everyone BTW, I don't think their has been a single post that has not had something helpful to say.

maximara · 01-08-2021, 01:55 PM

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Oh this will be super useful.

I really want to thank everyone BTW, I don't think their has been a single post that has not had something helpful to say.

While it is for 250 CP characters Beneath Castle Everglory might be some help as well.

Racer · 01-09-2021, 04:17 PM

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It's the equivalent of a pair of fortresses staring at each other across a disputed border.

The biggest problem I see with Keep on the Borderlands is that it's intended for level 1-3, and even starting delvers are stronger than that (but don't gain power as fast). Something like a patrol of six goblins is a legit concern for level 1 PCs in original D&D.

Even a couple of enraged Bears can wreak a group of Lvl 1 to 2 Characters if caught by surprise . And this was an AD&D conversion of Keep .

We had to re-run it with 9+ Characters instead of original 5 to have solid Attack/Defense line up , that wouldn't crumple as soon as a Warrior type was incapacitated .

As mentioned the Humanoid's caves were further away in our campaign , but only about a 6 hour marches distance . There were other more powerful elements in play for the Keep's organization to focus on over the 'nuisance factor' involved .

seycyrus · 01-09-2021, 04:41 PM

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Thinking about running Keep on the Borderlands in GURPS, ...

Now that you've gotten some feedback, let me mention to you that I'd be interested in hearing what you are doing with your Gurps KoTB! Even if the feedback comes months from now.

maximara · 01-09-2021, 04:52 PM

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Even a couple of enraged Bears can wreak a group of Lvl 1 to 2 Characters if caught by surprise . And this was an AD&D conversion of Keep .

To be fair 1st to 2nd level AD&D characters tended to be squishy if they weren't fighters or clerics. Magic-Users had it worst of all at low levels. They got a little better with 3.5 but they could still be killed by a common housecat (1d4 damage) at first level.

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We had to re-run it with 9+ Characters instead if original 5 to have solid Attack/Defense line up , that wouldn't crumple as soon as a Warrior type was incapacitated .

Pretty much this. If anything it was worst as the party could only do a few encounters before the Cleric and Magic-User had blown through their spells. And unless they want to risk outdoor encounters it is back to the keep. Rinse and repeat ad nauseam until the party is modernly leveled.

The issue though is that as the D&D to GURPS page points out there is no real way to compare D&D class-level to GURPS points. Heck, you could argue a Average (25-50 points) GURPS wizard with only Magery 0 can do more then a even a 6th level 5e Wizard.

Pbuckley · 01-11-2021, 05:54 AM

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Now that you've gotten some feedback, let me mention to you that I'd be interested in hearing what you are doing with your Gurps KoTB! Even if the feedback comes months from now.

What exactly do you want to know?

seycyrus · 01-13-2021, 06:32 PM

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What exactly do you want to know?

The same sort of advice that you asked for from others, and perhaps a word or two on how it worked out in your game.

What point level did you start at, and how did it go? Were there a lot of player casualties? None?

How did you handle the magic system? Were there mages carrying around 6d (or more) fireballs? If so, how did it affect the game?

Pbuckley · 01-14-2021, 10:51 PM

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The same sort of advice that you asked for from others, and perhaps a word or two on how it worked out in your game.

What point level did you start at, and how did it go? Were there a lot of player casualties? None?

How did you handle the magic system? Were there mages carrying around 6d (or more) fireballs? If so, how did it affect the game?

I may type up a campaign diary on it.

I am doing a ton of work on this setting all the time, I have half a mind to a good bit of it typed up into a book, and maybe a short series of gazetteers and try to pitch it to Steve Jackson as a third party product. So doing a campaign diary might be good practice.

Ordo_Lyrae · 01-20-2021, 04:50 PM

If you're interested I statted up Humanoids for a DFRPG conversion of B2. The players in my game were running tuned down 150 point templates. You can find the forum thread here: http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=161346. B2 is such a good module always happy to hear other people are running it.

01-08-2021, 12:19 AM	#11
Balor Patch Join Date: Apr 2013	Re: Keep on the Borderlands The first nine sessions of Peter's Felltower campaign (see under https://dungeonfantastic.blogspot.co...-campaign.html) were in the KotB Caves of Chaos.

01-20-2021, 04:50 PM	#20
Ordo_Lyrae Join Date: Dec 2018	Re: Keep on the Borderlands If you're interested I statted up Humanoids for a DFRPG conversion of B2. The players in my game were running tuned down 150 point templates. You can find the forum thread here: http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=161346. B2 is such a good module always happy to hear other people are running it.