01-01-2013, 11:22 AM | #11 |
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Re: Rescaling Melee Weapons (notes)
Oh, sure! If I were starting from scratch, I'd use a formula like the one online for determining the speed of a golf-club head to figure out how the lever arm and weight distribution multiplies the impact energy for any given weapon. for now, is all I have to go with are the canonical values found in the rules, so I go with that.
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01-01-2013, 11:26 AM | #12 |
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Re: Rescaling Melee Weapons (notes)
We should lobby for a version like that so the 5th edition will have that(even though it will be only around 2030+).
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01-01-2013, 02:41 PM | #13 |
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01-01-2013, 10:57 PM | #14 |
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01-01-2013, 11:27 PM | #15 |
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01-02-2013, 05:39 AM | #16 |
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01-02-2013, 12:55 PM | #17 |
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Re: Rescaling Melee Weapons (notes)
Myself I use +8 ST gives +1d, or rather each +2 ST gives +1 to damage, which I covert at +1 = +1, +2 = +2, +3 = +1d-1, and +4 = +1d. (Actually, each +1 ST gives +0.5 damage, which may affect the damage of some weapons that also have fractional damage bonuses...)
I don't distinguish between thrust or swing by ST, because I use completely different (and overly complicated) rules to determine the velocity of the weapon, determine damage as if it were a collision, which determines the weapon's base damage. Then add the bonus to the damage based on ST (as defined above, with ST 10 being +0) to represent "powering through the impact." Is it realistic.. not sure. But it gives results I like, that are close enough to GURPS RAW (at the ST 8 to 12 range, anyway), and allows me to unify the throwing, collision, falling, and damage rules all into one single rule. And yes, my rules are complicated...I wouldn't use them myself if I didn't have them in a spreadsheet or Map Tools macros. ;) Last edited by Kallatari; 01-02-2013 at 01:04 PM. |
01-02-2013, 10:19 PM | #18 |
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Re: Rescaling Melee Weapons (notes)
Using [Str x {1+(Weapon Damage/3)}]/10 DouglasCole suggests however throws the system wildly out of kilter when weapons with large material and magic bonuses and/or rescaled for size modifyer {Low Tech Companion 2 page 20-21} are available as the damage can readily end up exceeding R.A.W. .
Example 1: Str 12 with a Great Sword [Very Fine , +3 Puissance] Raw > Swing = Str 1d+2 +3 {weapon} +2 {quality} +3 {magic} = 1d+10 = 4d-1 DouglasCole > Swing [Str 12 x {1+(3+2+3=8/3)}]/10 = 4.4d = 4d+1 Example 2: Str 20 SM1 giant with giant SM1 pollaxe Raw > Swing = Str 3d+2 +6{weapon} = 3d+8 = 5d+1 DouglasCole > Swing = [Str 20 x {1+(6/3)}]/10 = 6d This gets much worse with giant magic weapons of quality . I suggest using instead the weapon stats {incl quality and magic etc} times 3 as + Str then divide by 10 {Swing} or 20 {Thrust} . In those above examples the Str 12 Great Sword does [12+({3+2+3}x3)]/10 = 3.6d = 3d+2 and the Giant with SM1 Pollaxe [20+(6x3)]/10 = 3.8d = 4d-1 . This is also easier maths for those with an aversion to such {or a phobia vs calculators ;p} .
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I like your idea of ((weapon bonus * 3) + ST)/10 (or 20 for thrusting) and will definitely take that under consideration. |
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01-03-2013, 01:12 PM | #20 |
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Re: Rescaling Melee Weapons (notes)
FWIW, I'd vote against it, unless you're talking about a completely redesigned system, different from the ground up, so that increased realism doesn't mean increased difficulty in actually playing.
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