12-03-2009, 12:47 AM | #81 | |
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Martial Arts postulates that dedicated archers can take the Stronbow perk, which adds up to +2 ST for the sole purposes of drawing a bow and additionally three levels of Special Exercises (Arm ST), which allows up to +3 more. This allows people who might not be freakishly big or otherwise strong, but who can draw a very heavy bow. Such as the people now practising with yew warbows.
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12-03-2009, 01:22 AM | #82 | |
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I was assuming 1 motion, but if one were to measure the action it would be more than 1 Mississippi long. If that was the case then wouldn't the draw be equal to double 2 arm BL? In B15 it says you can take 2x the time for double the weight. I agree with the limiting damage to thr+2 btw. The bleeding rules, sapping FP? and HP, characters wounded would lose FP quickly and more likely to suffer the 1/3 FP penalty. History of War by Procopious (available in Project Guttenberg) notes the style difference of Byzantine vs Savaran Kataphrakts. Particularly the Draw time, the Byzants focusing on Power and Accuracy and the Sassanids focusing on Rate of Fire. This could be also interpreted to different Bow Doctrines. Since the Byzantines expect armored horses and kataphracts to their Imperial Peers, they may be going for heavier draw weight for a greater threat range. Reading up on Nomad Horse Archery doctrines, noting there was really 2 difference schools regarding Rate of Fire. Particularly when historians discuss about Horse Archer doctrines upon the arrival of the crusaders in the 11C were different from the "lighter" and less disciplined compared to their "older doctrines" there is reasonable evidence to greater than 1 second draw time. |
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12-03-2009, 03:16 AM | #83 |
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12-03-2009, 05:06 AM | #84 | ||
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If everything was forest,where did those german knights come from? Mongol armys had best support of all contemporary ones and besides they needed less support than any contemporary one. Quote:
They could feed them in: Deserts of Mongolia and China. Mountains of Himalayas. Jungles of India,Burma.... Frozen Siberia ...but they couldnt in temperate European climate ??? Besides you could compare their ponys to goats.Western horses were better in every aspect to their ponys except food requirements.they compensated lower quality of their ponys by bringing 5+ remounts to have always fresh horse for battle.
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12-03-2009, 08:34 PM | #88 | |
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Although that all changed around 5C -9C doctrine. around Justinian and Maurice's time archery was expected from every soldier. Check out the startegikon, the war veteran emperor was overly zealous about almost all his troops being archer capable. If you look at the formation notes, Most unit inside a block can shoot arrows. All units on the formation perimeter were heavy infantry. XXXXXXX XOOOOOX XOOOOOX XOOOOOX XXXXXXX just a quick "sketch" everyone inside were light infantry but, their definition of light infantry was synonymous with archers. In mentions about the equipment and training appears to confirm it. I would guess around 4cp archers (weapon bond, proficiency, and fast draw). There was mention of tactics that used range attacks for harassment and allowing other units to close in. There was no mention of how these tactics were supposed to inflict losses and the amount of archery practice each soldier had was not comparable to dedicated archers. The tactics discussed seems more about softening up opponents when they can be pinned down with effective coordinated flanking and fire. Imagining of the more organized roman units coordinating their fire from two different direction, which spread the enemy's defenses thinly. then signaling to one another which one should move to engage when the enemies moral or organization wavers. with just proper timing, they can break their enemy with a well executed successive charge, and not need to give chase if they are against superior no. by just finishing them off at ranged. On can even use the same in small unit tactics. Last edited by nik1979; 12-03-2009 at 08:38 PM. |
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But my point was that a bow useful for what Molokh is asking for here (killing armoured point targets) and not just area harassment, would be a warbow and it would be of a heavy draw. That lighter bows were used in warfare is certainly true, but not for anything that would actually serve the purposes of a small band of PCs trying to kill foes.
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