02-25-2021, 11:06 PM | #1 |
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Request for Feedback on Warhammer 40,000 Handbook
Hey, I'm looking for some feedback on a Warhammer 40,000 handbook that I'm writing. If anybody with significant experience with running games in a high power, scifi setting, or with significant experience in Warhammer 40,000 in general, or with a strong technical understanding GURPS mechanics, design choices, and statistics is here, your help would be greatly appreciated. If anybody was looking to run a game in Warhammer 40,000 and is willing to playtest/run with the handbook, that would also be greatly appreciated.
Enclosed below is a public release preview of ~60% of the handbook's current scope in an alpha-beta state. If you are interested/want to help, please either leave a comment in the thread or contact me on Discord (Fennefell#4034). https://drive.google.com/file/d/13nY...ew?usp=sharing PLEASE READ BEFORE PROVIDING FEEDBACK 1. Please ensure that you have read and understood the relevant section. 2. Please take a few moments to think of the relevant design choices made about that section. Internal balance and FEELING like Warhammer 40,000 is the most important design factor; no weapon should dominate, each should fit their roles, and so on. Expanding the GM design space and maximizing fun is the next most important, followed by balance with other GURPS things, followed by adherence to Warhammer 40,000 lore. If you make an argument entirely based off lore, it's likely that it will not be useful feedback. 3. Please understand that I've been working on this PDF for a while and have considered a lot of rules and different ways to design things. If you see something and think "You should do x instead, that's obvious", please take a moment to consider I've likely already thought of that, and try to understand the design choices behind it, as per step 2. 4. When providing feedback, please provide constructive feedback. If you think something needs to be changed, please provide a rationale about why, keeping design choices in mind. If possible, give a proof-of-concept of the replacement, and why this proof-of-concept would be better. I likely will not consider feedback of the form "I don't like x. You should do y instead" with no other backing. Instead, try wording it "I think x has problem A. If you instead used y, you could solve problem A within your design choices. Here is an example of that.". 5. Please do not send me angry messages on Discord if I don't take your feedback. Last edited by Fennefell; 05-14-2023 at 11:22 AM. |
02-27-2021, 10:51 AM | #2 |
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Re: Request for Feedback on Warhammer 40,000 Handbook
Thanks to the people who contacted me to give feedback on my Warhammer 40,000 handbook. If you want to give feedback for what the handbook is, or in future want to use parts before it's released, please contact me. Otherwise, enclosed below is a public release preview of ~60% of the handbook's current scope in an alpha-beta state.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-Xr..._7xYIQq-e/view Last edited by Fennefell; 12-27-2022 at 05:16 AM. |
02-27-2021, 04:00 PM | #3 |
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Re: Request for Feedback on Warhammer 40,000 Handbook
I found it of dubious need to have a separate Legality Class for Astartes equipment. Normally the rarity of items is appraised by the penalty to Merchant roll to purchase it, with LC indicating how illegal it is to hold it - meaning government will shoot at you for having certain stuff beyond your clearance.
Scout Marine equipment is certainly not LC4 in normal understanding, which adds confusion, and it doesn't really help with figuring out how to purchase 'rare' gear. Ditto for Inquisition gear. Legality to Money conversion is just weird, it has no reason to exist unless it is a flat tax on owning items of this legality. In short, I'd advise against using Legality Class as a stand in for item rarity, and advise against having multiple different types of legality classes that are seldom about legality and do not really interact with each other. Instead, look into Merchant skill. In equipment section, Laser weapons have no business running off of Guns skill instead of Beam Weapons. Giving Lasguns (2) AD seems weird when Dark Heresy equalized Autogun and Lasgun damage, with both having 0 pen and 1d10+3 damage die.
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02-27-2021, 04:21 PM | #4 | |
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Similarly, the legality to money conversion is not a flat tax, nor is it meant to be a conversion but rather guidelines. Wealth is not in scope of the book, and abstract wealth is meant to be used. It's reason to exist is to provide guidelines on cost for items based off legality, as both are linked in Warhammer 40,000. The legality classes are about legality, and do interact with each other; please reread the specific section for each legality class to see their relative interactions and specific legality. They also act as a guideline for the cost of items. It is highly unclear to me how the Merchant skill would aid in this. As per the lasgun, it acts as a Gun because it, for all purposes, a Gun (with the slight exception of bullet drop); a person with Guns who picked up a lasgun would be able to use it with familiarity penalties, not as a default. Beam weapons is reserved for weaponry that has significant differences from Guns, such as the meltagun. I am not using Dark Heresy as a metric for anything for multiple reasons, the most relevant in this case being that I need to balance the handbook with the rest of GURPS. The handbook is meant to be read considering internal balance, balance within GURPS, and design considerations to maximize GM design space, with strict adherence to lore being one of the lowest priorities. |
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02-27-2021, 04:34 PM | #5 |
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Re: Request for Feedback on Warhammer 40,000 Handbook
The Rank and Status system is really off. The Imperium of Man is a macrosociety, so Rank should range from 0 to 12. Beam weapons are radically different than conventional firearms, so they should not be part of the same skill.
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02-27-2021, 04:39 PM | #6 | |
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I am not clear on what your issue with Status is. Please provide what you would see 0-12 ranks as in a unified Imperium, and provide what advantage you would see over having a unified ranking system over having split ranks per Adeptus with mapping. Thank you. EDIT TO YOUR EDIT: Please see last paragraph of post above yours for reference for las weapons. They quack like guns. For reference: "As per the lasgun, it acts as a Gun because it, for all purposes, a Gun (with the slight exception of bullet drop); a person with Guns who picked up a lasgun would be able to use it with familiarity penalties, not as a default. Beam weapons is reserved for weaponry that has significant differences from Guns, such as the meltagun." |
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02-27-2021, 05:16 PM | #7 |
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Re: Request for Feedback on Warhammer 40,000 Handbook
This would be a great comment for you to stop on this forum. We are asking you to look for positive discuss more often, not posting so much time being negative in posts you dislike (in fact, make it an actual rule -- don't posts about this or any other Warhammer posts).
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02-27-2021, 09:18 PM | #8 |
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Re: Request for Feedback on Warhammer 40,000 Handbook
I really dont see why lasguns are firearms. There's already a default between Beam Weapons and Guns, and Lasgun has exactly two features that unite it and a gun - you align sights with target and engage the device to hit it, and a vibration motor to simulate recoil (which you can turn off i believe). GURPS in general treats all weapons that fire energy beams as... Beam Weapons.
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02-27-2021, 09:26 PM | #9 | |
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02-27-2021, 10:44 PM | #10 |
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Sure, but consider that an autogun fires bullets, which experience bullet drop within the frame of reference, which lasguns do not.
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