Combat Example using The Terminator

[Harald387]

Originally Posted by arnej

Very interesting analysis. One question: What is the damage modified by "-1 for unarmed combat" for up there - I was with you up til then... Is that a 4e'ism?

Arnej

Punches are 'thr-1' damage; I suspect that's where it came in.

Though FWIW I'd happily grant someone with steel bones 'Perk: Striking Surface' to make punches straight-up thr.

[Garion]

Originally Posted by gjohanns

#Turn Seven
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Terminator: *All out Attack: Determined – Punk #3* The Terminator rolls against his Brawling skill of 12 with a +4 to hit from All out Attack: Determined for a skill of 16. Roll of 14. Success. Punk #3 cannot defend as he is stunned.

As far as I recall, a stunned individual is at -4 to defend, not defenseless.

[gjohanns]

Originally Posted by Harald387

Punches are 'thr-1' damage; I suspect that's where it came in.

Correct. I will expand the context of the damage to include this detail.

Originally Posted by Garion

As far as I recall, a stunned individual is at -4 to defend, not defenseless.

Oops. This is correct. I will adjust the rolls in that round to match the RAW.

I also think that the Terminator needs to make a DX roll to "catch" Punk #3 after stunning him. I will add this to the round also.

[Dalillama]

In retrospect, I think that I'm including the other movies/some of the comics in my estimations, and you're all entirely correct.

[Collective_Restraint]

Originally Posted by Harald387

Punches are 'thr-1' damage; I suspect that's where it came in.

Though FWIW I'd happily grant someone with steel bones 'Perk: Striking Surface' to make punches straight-up thr.

Simply use the same stats as brass knuckles instead.

[gjohanns]

Originally Posted by Harald387

Though FWIW I'd happily grant someone with steel bones 'Perk: Striking Surface' to make punches straight-up thr.

If the player wanted to spend the points for this perk I would not reject it. However to me it represents one of three things. A.) A harder then human normal striking surface. B.) A smaller striking surface then human normal to concentrate the force of the blow C.) A different type of swing/punch style that a human could not replicate that allows a different part of the fist to strike the target.

I can dismiss B and C right away. The Terminator did not swing any differently then any other human, and he has normal to large hands for his size.

A is tougher. Steel bones covered in flesh are nice when it comes to crippling injures, but all of the hard edges are still covered in softer squishy skin. I would give the bonus to damage and say that he can lock his metal joints tighter then a human can, and as such the extra damage is because a human’s knuckle, wrist, and elbow joint flex enough to mitigate a small amount of damage that he can deliver.

Originally Posted by Collective_Restraint

Simply use the same stats as brass knuckles instead.

I explained this above. I don't think increased damage is warranted at least until his flesh covering is removed. Then I would give him a +1 or +2 bonus (both a smaller and hard striking surface.)

[Collective_Restraint]

Originally Posted by gjohanns

I explained this above. I don't think increased damage is warranted at least until his flesh covering is removed. Then I would give him a +1 or +2 bonus (both a smaller and hard striking surface.)

You're right ! Completely forgot about that.

[Harald387]

Originally Posted by gjohanns

A is tougher. Steel bones covered in flesh are nice when it comes to crippling injures, but all of the hard edges are still covered in softer squishy skin. I would give the bonus to damage and say that he can lock his metal joints tighter then a human can, and as such the extra damage is because a human’s knuckle, wrist, and elbow joint flex enough to mitigate a small amount of damage that he can deliver.

I'd say that if a roll of quarters is enough for a heavier punch (and from experience, it definitely is), then steel bones should justify the same thing. YMMV, and clearly does. :D

[Bruno]

Originally Posted by Collective_Restraint

Simply use the same stats as brass knuckles instead.

THat's exactly what the perk does.

[yffub]

Major Wounds occur on injuries greater than 1/2 HP, not 1/2 HT.

I may be misremembering, but I thought he punched into the stomach of the one punk, pulling back a fist covered in blood and gore. I think that punk was dead and worse off than -1 HP. I'll have to watch it again when I get home.

Neat write-up.