12-13-2011, 09:32 AM | #1 |
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Cannot Learn questions
Two questions about the Cannot Learn disadvantage:
What should the limitation value be if the character just can't learn through study? Assume the rules for learning through study are fastidiously used, where 200 hours of learning earns you 1 CP towards what you were studying / training? But they can spend CP earned from adventuring and CP rewards. Basically what would it be worth for someone simply not to be able to earn CP from time spent studying when everyone else can? If I wanted to enhance Cannot Learn such that it also applied to physical advantages and ST and HT (so the player couldn't ever spend any earned character points on any trait whatsoever), what should that be worth?
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12-13-2011, 09:41 AM | #2 | |
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Re: Cannot Learn questions
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Mechanically I think it would be round [-50] for Cannot Improve but in game terms its pretty crippling. |
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12-13-2011, 11:09 AM | #3 |
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Re: Cannot Learn questions
Thanks. What would you peg the disadvantageousness of not being able to learn through time spent studying? Cannot Learn (Can learn only from experience, not from using time spent studying or training rules, -??%) [?]?
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12-13-2011, 11:33 AM | #4 |
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Re: Cannot Learn questions
How much time are you going to give your characters to study?
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12-13-2011, 12:31 PM | #5 | |
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How much would the limitation on Cannot Learn be then?
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12-13-2011, 12:54 PM | #6 |
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Re: Cannot Learn questions
It's weird, Fixed Stat is a feature and so it not being able to learn a given skill. So why is Cannot Learn a -30 disad?
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12-13-2011, 01:08 PM | #7 |
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Re: Cannot Learn questions
Fixed (Stat) is a feature because it doesn't significantly limit the character in any way. I'm not sure Cannot Learn deserves to be -30, but it's much more limiting than Fixed (Stat).
Example: Fixed IQ 10, but without Cannot Learn. This is a person with a normal intelligence. He can't spend CP to increase his IQ, but he can spend it to learn new (IQ-based) skills, raise current (IQ-based) skills higher, or raise Will and Per higher than 10. Most animals are said to have a Fixed IQ of 6 or less, yet they are still able to learn (some better than others). Now take Cannot Learn. This person cannot spend CP to increase his skills or learn new ones, be they based on IQ, DX, HT, Will, or Per. Even if this person had an IQ 15, he would be unable to learn anything new, nor can he improve existing skills. Such a character is much more limited on what he can spend his earned XP on - pretty much, only physical upgrades (ST, DX, HT, HP, FP, and Move being the main items). He can't even learn new DX-based skills like Throwing or Stealth! (Not sure if Cannot Learn means you can't increase IQ, to be honest.) Take a look at your character sheet some time. How often when making a character do you plan to spend earned XP raising skills? Quite often, I would expect. Skill increases are cheaper than stat increases, after all.
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12-13-2011, 01:09 PM | #8 | |
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Same with attributes - there's a lot of 3e-trained players who max out an attribute at character creation and never raise it in play. Doesn't seem to bother them any. However, it's VERY HARD to design around "No New/Improved Skills Ever".
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12-13-2011, 04:48 PM | #9 | |
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Fixed Stat and taboo traits make sense as [0] features, at least up to a point. But, theoretically, it'd be possible to build a meta-trait that was functionally equivalent to Cannot Learn (or worse) with enough of those but still be worth [0]. I think the point is that no one would ever do that, that sense would prevail. Heck, the Anti-Talent rules from the new Talents book would be a good option if there were enough taboo skills, at least.
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12-14-2011, 11:51 AM | #10 | |
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