06-26-2011, 05:23 PM | #31 | ||
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Re: And ye shall know the Truth ...
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That said, letting a Seraph get a sense of lies-or-truth, confounded by the language issue, would be perfectly reasonable -- reduce the check digit so they have to spend Essence or otherwise have sneaky ways of raising it again, for a chance at check digit 6, and they tend to get stuff like, "The person does not understand you" or "the person is saying whatever s/he said because s/he thinks you are a tourist trying to proposition him/her." Anything that lets the Seraph substitute a resonance roll for having the language, without bringing along a whole bunch of entertaining ways to amuse the players and make the GM snicker... Is not what I'd say is intended for the game. If language issues are likely to be a problem that annoy the GM and bore the players, make translation artifacts easy to obtain for short-term adventures or just hand out a point or two in the language(s) necessary for Fun. THAT said... Quote:
Babel is Canon Doubt and Uncertainty at best, unless someone's been tweaking the timeline to put it into the GMG's timeline, and even then, it's probably a lot more different than the version that got written down afterwards. (Which doesn't mean people can't use Babel as-is, in their own games, but when discussing with other people, you can't use Babel as an argument for or against some interpretation of the rules. Their Babel Might Be Different.) This actually verges into CDaU territory as well...
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06-26-2011, 05:30 PM | #32 |
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Re: And ye shall know the Truth ...
Really? In the Core Rules it says that God wrote the Symphony.
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06-26-2011, 05:34 PM | #33 | |
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But that's what sends it into CDaU territory ... one of the questions each GM has to answer for him/herself is the nature of God (which tends to imply the nature of the Symphony as well).
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06-26-2011, 05:38 PM | #34 |
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Re: And ye shall know the Truth ...
Page reference? I'm not finding that phrase in the Core Rules, nor anything similar in the likely sections that I've checked.
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06-26-2011, 06:08 PM | #35 | ||
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06-26-2011, 08:54 PM | #36 |
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Re: And ye shall know the Truth ...
Not so much shifted gears as expanded the focus and fleshed out the backstory -- though there was one change of line editors, which did have some tone/detail impact. At least, from my perspective.
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06-26-2011, 09:52 PM | #37 | |||
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Can someone provide an example situation where it would? The IP doesn't--the Seraph's inability to understand the response keeps him from understanding where things lie except on a CD of 6. (at lower CDs, knowing that the guy is a liar doesn't reveal whether or not he actually knows Pete, because the Seraph didn't understand the context of the lie). A Seraph operating under the Song of Tongues gets more information from the conversation under all CDs, so the Seraphic resonance definitely doesn't displace the usefulness of the Song. Quote:
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06-29-2011, 11:56 AM | #38 |
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Re: And ye shall know the Truth ...
"God" seems to designate a couple of unrelated things:
1) The Symphony as a whole, 2) A literal deus ex machina that intervenes in Archangelic politics, 3) A poetic stand-in for the same things people use it as a poetic stand-in IRL, at least when they don't mean anything in particular by it. I think the setting is stronger if you drop the whole God thing, frankly. I liked the spin Demon: the Fallen gave it - Babel was a project by the rebel angels to nurture and build up a human civilization based on their values, and it was ultimately smashed by the Host for that reason. IMC, liberal democratic capitalism is Babel 2.0. Last edited by Matthias Wasser; 06-29-2011 at 12:01 PM. |
06-29-2011, 05:44 PM | #39 | |
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God is integral to In Nomine. You can call Him whatever you want but He needs to be there. (Unless you use Yves for that role instead. >_>)
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06-29-2011, 06:32 PM | #40 | |
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As far as Words and Superiors in Heaven ... yes, obviously all those came straight from God in the beginning and still occasionally do. In more modern times, those decisions are usually made collectively by the Seraphim Council. (It's also worth noting that Heaven creates Archangels much less frequently than Hell crowns Princes; prior to Christopher's elevation as Archangel of Children in the 1970s, the last previous AA raisings had been Laurence (The Sword) and Khalid (Faith) in the 8th century AD! And yes, God is included in my own games. That said, the GM's Guide does include some optional alternatives ...
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