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I'm going to an Orthodox burial service in about three hours.
The name of the newly departed is David (note present tense), in case anyone wants to pray for him. In Slavonic, we will call him the "newly-presented David" for 40 days from his death last Saturday. About Abydos, if you are still going to portray a fictional/heretical divine liturgy (lower-case), two potentially supernatural moments come to mind: The Cherubic Hymn We who mystically represent the Cherubim, and who sing to the Life-Giving Trinity the thrice-holy hymn, let us now lay aside all earthly cares that we may receive the King of all, escorted invisibly by the angelic orders. Alleluia I could imagine some magic, possibly an illusion, that makes the choir members look like Cherubim -- each with three additional heads, four wings, a couple of extra legs, and an auditory illusion to make their voices sound (even) more other-worldly. The Eucharist For believers, this is literally playing with fire. As far as I understand it as an Orthodox n00b, keeping the unprepared away from the Chalice is not to avoid injury to God's majesty or whatever (it's not like we can do anything to Him that we haven't tried to do already), but rather to protect the unprepared themselves from condemnation. Remember the scene in the third Indiana Jones movie? "For the unrighteous, the cup of Christ holds everlasting damnation". And then Donovan drinks and gets the melt-away-and-crumble-into-dust treatment. The problem is that if you believe in this kind of thing, none of us is worthy. That is why among other things we say a whole bunch of pre-Communion prayers which are variants on the following idea: Behold, I draw near the Divine Communion. Burn me not as I partake, O Creator, For Thou art a Fire which burns the unworthy. Rather, cleanse me of all defilement. For more, google "precommunion prayers". Last edited by trans; 10-01-2014 at 12:26 PM. Reason: caps, sp., etc. |
10-01-2014, 09:54 AM | #33 | |
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10-01-2014, 06:51 PM | #34 |
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Why wouldn't True Faith work? Wouldn't be like Belief is Magic, to use a TV Tropes term?
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10-01-2014, 07:23 PM | #35 |
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10-01-2014, 07:42 PM | #36 | |
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Of course, these gifts are distributed across a broad number of religious beliefs, so its not really clear what is going on, whether Yrth has a very generous deity acting on it, whether faith alone in a higher power can achieve mystic effects without the power, or if these mystics are just an odd brand of mage. The trick with yrth is that its intentionally left vauge, tangled and confusing.
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So, looks like I was wrong about actual liches in Abydos: the book doesn't rule them out, but they're never mentioned, either. The word "lich" gets tossed around a lot in reference to mindless shambler type zombies (eg: Lich Street is the zombie district where you go to find the Lich Merchants' Guildhall), strongly-implying that if what fantasy typically refers to as a lich exists here, they're called something else. The closest thing to the classic sapient skeletal necromancer in the book is people who have Soul Jarred themselves into (usually) their own crudely-animated corpse, and are "piloting" it with Control Zombie, with an example and template on p 47-48 that I was previously half-remembering. Quote:
So we've got it sounds like about two dozen vampires in the clergy currently, spread between two orders, some of whom were transformed (willingly, I'd expect) by their order. A sample character (Brother Demetrios the Icon Painter) is given on p 50-51, and their Monastery of the Holy Blood is described briefly on p 45. |
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I suppose a case could be made for making vampires clergy in that order (monastic orders are another thing we don't really have in Orthodoxy) since Nikodorus sort of sets a precedence for it. Do vampires and other sentient undead still partake of the Sacraments? I don't recall any information in the book implying things one way or the other. |
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