10-26-2018, 01:17 PM | #21 |
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Re: [AtE] Black Powder vs Smokeless
The process I read about for extracting sulphur was bacteria based. Basically a decomposition pit with a hood to capture the sulphur in gas form. It struck me as suitable for a relatively organized AtE community with the added perk of having a "salvaging the luxuries of the past to make the necessities of the present" feel to it.
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10-26-2018, 03:16 PM | #22 | |
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Managing production of primer might be a problem. A settlement is going to want enough on hand to last through an emergency, but not so much that they have a stockpile of unpredictably decaying primers that occasionally go boom. Wastelanders should be wary of settlements that want to give the out-of-towners an especially good deal on bulk ammo.
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10-26-2018, 06:18 PM | #23 | |
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The same goes for people salvaging the lead and acid from car batteries of course.
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10-26-2018, 09:09 PM | #24 | |
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10-26-2018, 09:32 PM | #25 |
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Re: [AtE] Black Powder vs Smokeless
I've read about people using matchheads to refill caps during the depression, but I can't verify that. (you may also have to lead the target a bit if the is any lag due to improper chemicals)
While I'm unsure of the chemistry required for the extraction some of the same chemicals are in lithium batteries. Brew up a pot of smartphones maybe ?
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But I do like the point you make regarding unreliable primers. Was watching Gun Jesus testing some Ethiopian Army surplus 7.62mm NATO ammo. The hang fires were slightly nervy, once Ian explained the potential danger. Malfunction rolls are going to be fun....
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10-27-2018, 08:37 AM | #27 | |
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Medium quality, possibly corrosive, not 100% reliable, likely to degrade over time and suddenly go boom primers are something people have been making for over 200 years. You can probably make it in a high school chem lab. You'll need to be careful where you store them, and I wouldn't want to have a large stockpile of primers or keep any primers for more than a few months, but primers are definitely something that AtE settlements can make.
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10-27-2018, 01:40 PM | #28 |
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Re: [AtE] Black Powder vs Smokeless
Doesn't have to be complicated to be problematic. Requiring high purity ingredients and/or very precise control over manufacturing processes is plenty.
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10-27-2018, 02:07 PM | #29 |
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Re: [AtE] Black Powder vs Smokeless
Poking around a bit more, it seems Western Australia does have a lot of pyrite, and historically that was used as a source of sulfur. To extract elemental sulfur, all you have to do it heat it up in one vessel (like a clay pot) and pipe the gas over to cool in a second one. Biggest drawback seems to be you'll also get some hydrogen sulfide, which is toxic. (But hey, life is cheap in the Wasteland anyway. You don't have to work _that_ hard to minimize accidents.) If you start with iron pyrite, you also wind up with iron. Or you can do the same process with galena, and get lead. (Because you want musket balls to go with your black powder.)
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10-27-2018, 03:02 PM | #30 |
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Re: [AtE] Black Powder vs Smokeless
There was this one video Forgotten Weapons did on a early automatic rifle which he commented that smokeless quality varied at the time. So if there was smokeless production, it could cause malfunctions on the guns because it'll have to much pressure on the gas pistons.
Last edited by SteamBub; 10-27-2018 at 03:17 PM. Reason: Found the video. Fixed the reason why poor quality smokeless is bad. |
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