YOU'RE the GM: the circular firing squad

RobW · 06-15-2019, 10:27 AM

Longbow (DX13) is pointing at the side hex of Throwing Axe (DX12) who is pointing at the side hex of Crossbow (DX12), who is pointing at the side hex of Longbow.
What is the order of attacks?

Nils_Lindeberg · 06-16-2019, 08:23 AM

Sorry didn't realize it was a poll. Thought it was a rules question and answered. :-)

Tywyll · 06-16-2019, 10:58 AM

I must be missing something...what rule would possibly apply that would have anyone beat the longbow?

Skarg · 06-16-2019, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Tywyll

I must be missing something...what rule would possibly apply that would have anyone beat the longbow?

Some people think facing applies to thrown weapons, because they can't find a literal reference to the word "thrown" as well as "missile" about it.

RVA_Grandpa · 06-16-2019, 01:23 PM

Are we assuming that all three fighters are adjacent (engaged) with each other?

MikMod · 06-16-2019, 03:04 PM

It never felt right to me that a character throwing a knife over 4 hexes would be slower to act than one throwing over 2 hexes, regardless their 'chance to hit' is less.

Skarg · 06-16-2019, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MikMod

It never felt right to me that a character throwing a knife over 4 hexes would be slower to act than one throwing over 2 hexes, regardless their 'chance to hit' is less.

It's not. RAW says not to have range penalties affect sequence of actions.

RVA_Grandpa · 06-16-2019, 03:48 PM

I change my vote to: Axe, Longbow, Crossbow -- it's RAW

Chris Rice · 06-16-2019, 10:44 PM

This is discussed in Melee, p10 under: Attacks (facing):

"Note: Missile weapon attacks don't get DX adds for facing."

Therefore, Thrown weapon attacks do get DX adds for facing. So the thrown Axe gets the +2 DX for facing the enemies side hex, which makes the axeman's adjDX 14, which results in the throw being first.

That's my reasoning.

Skarg · 06-16-2019, 11:02 PM

Side and Rear are never defined in terms of arcs that go farther than one hex away from a figure, only the front arc is.

I think the intention is that only non-ranged attacks from one hex away get a facing bonus for side/rear attacks.

For example, if someone throws, shoots, or even does a 2-hex jab from a hex that is along the spine between side and rear facings, what would the bonus even be? There has never been any hex diagram or rule anywhere that says whether that's side or rear, is there?

View Poll Results: I rule the order of attacks as follows:
Axe, Longbow, Crossbow -- it's RAW	4	23.53%
Longbow, then roll-off between Axe and Crossbow -- it's RAW	11	64.71%
My ruling isn't listed here. Don't worry, I'll explain later	2	11.76%
Voters: 17. You may not vote on this poll

06-15-2019, 10:27 AM	#1
RobW Join Date: Mar 2018	YOU'RE the GM: the circular firing squad Longbow (DX13) is pointing at the side hex of Throwing Axe (DX12) who is pointing at the side hex of Crossbow (DX12), who is pointing at the side hex of Longbow. What is the order of attacks?

06-16-2019, 08:23 AM	#2
Nils_Lindeberg Join Date: Jul 2018	Re: YOU'RE the GM: the circular firing squad Sorry didn't realize it was a poll. Thought it was a rules question and answered. :-)

06-16-2019, 10:58 AM	#3
Tywyll Join Date: Nov 2017	Re: YOU'RE the GM: the circular firing squad I must be missing something...what rule would possibly apply that would have anyone beat the longbow?

06-16-2019, 01:23 PM	#5
RVA_Grandpa Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Richmond, VA, USA	Re: YOU'RE the GM: the circular firing squad Are we assuming that all three fighters are adjacent (engaged) with each other? __________________ RVA_Grandpa ----------------------------------------- https://travelingthelabyrinth.blogspot.com We never really grow up; we only learn how to act in public.

06-16-2019, 03:04 PM	#6
MikMod Join Date: May 2019	Re: YOU'RE the GM: the circular firing squad It never felt right to me that a character throwing a knife over 4 hexes would be slower to act than one throwing over 2 hexes, regardless their 'chance to hit' is less.

06-16-2019, 03:48 PM	#8
RVA_Grandpa Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Richmond, VA, USA	Re: YOU'RE the GM: the circular firing squad I change my vote to: Axe, Longbow, Crossbow -- it's RAW __________________ RVA_Grandpa ----------------------------------------- https://travelingthelabyrinth.blogspot.com We never really grow up; we only learn how to act in public.

06-16-2019, 10:44 PM	#9
Chris Rice Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: London Uk, but originally from Scotland	Re: YOU'RE the GM: the circular firing squad This is discussed in Melee, p10 under: Attacks (facing): "Note: Missile weapon attacks don't get DX adds for facing." Therefore, Thrown weapon attacks do get DX adds for facing. So the thrown Axe gets the +2 DX for facing the enemies side hex, which makes the axeman's adjDX 14, which results in the throw being first. That's my reasoning.

06-16-2019, 11:02 PM	#10
Skarg Join Date: May 2015	Re: YOU'RE the GM: the circular firing squad Side and Rear are never defined in terms of arcs that go farther than one hex away from a figure, only the front arc is. I think the intention is that only non-ranged attacks from one hex away get a facing bonus for side/rear attacks. For example, if someone throws, shoots, or even does a 2-hex jab from a hex that is along the spine between side and rear facings, what would the bonus even be? There has never been any hex diagram or rule anywhere that says whether that's side or rear, is there?