Word Associations

PenitentDemon · 06-23-2016, 10:47 AM

Its hard to tell which Words some Words fall under

'Scalpers' a concept I only learned of a week or so ago...

Do they fall more naturally under Valefor or Mammon

Hmmmn give them a rite, that every time they observe misery created because of them buying up the tickets, they get an extra essence?

Oh the Word of "Localization of Anime" falls under Nybass, and is charged with gutting Anime and removing everything distinctively jappanese about it.

johndallman · 06-23-2016, 02:30 PM

Mammon, I think. The scalper isn't technically stealing anything, just manipulating a market.

robkelk · 06-23-2016, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by johndallman

Mammon, I think. The scalper isn't technically stealing anything, just manipulating a market.

The scalpers are stealing the opportunity for less-affluent fans to get to see the shows live.

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Originally Posted by PenitentDemon

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Oh the Word of "Localization of Anime" falls under Nybass, and is charged with gutting Anime and removing everything distinctively jappanese about it.

Localization of anime has caused almost as many flamewars as the subs vs. dubs division has. I could see this going to Malphas.

PenitentDemon · 06-23-2016, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by robkelk

The scalpers are stealing the opportunity for less-affluent fans to get to see the shows live.

Good Point first of the word a week or so ago, the Sailor moon 25th anniversary Celebration a Ball held in moon royalty fashion... is allready sold out.

Scalpers are appearantly part of it.

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Originally Posted by robkelk

Localization of anime has caused almost as many flamewars as the subs vs. dubs division has. I could see this going to Malphas.

Fair point. or both have a slightly different word, as the Nybassite works to corrupt anime, the Malphasian, works to divide the Franchises Fans.

Oh Jingoism? That is to say, fanatical often times violent nationalism, Is it a word more fitting for Malphas, Baal or Asmoesdoes.

Whitelaughter · 06-23-2016, 11:15 PM

Given they are exploiting the system, I would assume The Game.

An important consideration is not where a Word 'logically' belongs, but which Prince has the power to ensure that they control it. While Mammon may have started out with the Word, Valefor would have been able to steal when Mammon's power base crashed - but not have been able to keep it, as Thieves need to keep moving, while scalpers will prefer to have a stable base of suppliers and customers.

The Word of Scalpers probably would have fallen under the Demon of Fences while in Theft(who in turn would have been under Smuggling, and likely also stolen from Greed), but under the Demon of Rationing while in The Game.

Meanwhile their opponent in Heaven would have been a Trader under Free Trade for all of this period (possibly with Paid Shoppers as an intermediate boss). Interesting to consider whether that stability is a greater or lesser benefit than the extra attunements available while jumping ship.

Flyndaran · 06-23-2016, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by johndallman

Mammon, I think. The scalper isn't technically stealing anything, just manipulating a market.

Whoever owns Capitalism fits. They legally buy but illegally sell.

robkelk · 06-24-2016, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by PenitentDemon

Good Point first of the word a week or so ago, the Sailor moon 25th anniversary Celebration a Ball held in moon royalty fashion... is allready sold out.

Scalpers are appearantly part of it.
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A more obvious example: The Tragically Hip's upcoming concert tour, which is expected to be their last ever since their lead singer has an inoperable and aggressive cancer. The entire tour was sold out within minutes of the tickets going on sale, and a large percentage of the tickets were being offered on ticket-resale sites at extremely-inflated asking prices within an hour of the tickets first going on sale.

I have no sympathy whatsoever for scalpers. That's definitely a demonic Word.

PenitentDemon · 06-24-2016, 06:03 PM

oh for an attunement for Scalpers is this Reasonable?

"Can divine which tickets, are likely to balloon in value"

I know divinitary Attunements are more of an Angelic thing but seems to fit.

Flyndaran · 06-24-2016, 06:26 PM

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I have no sympathy whatsoever for scalpers. That's definitely a demonic Word.

Personally, I don't like heartless forms of profit. But it could just as easily fit a more neutral meaning. It is just capitalism at its purest. Buying what's on sale and reselling it to those wanting it at a modest, or more, profit.
Scalping tickets to musicals isn't like jacking up prices for necessities like water or food.

Whitelaughter · 06-25-2016, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by PenitentDemon

oh for an attunement for Scalpers is this Reasonable?

"Can divine which tickets, are likely to balloon in value"

I know divinitary Attunements are more of an Angelic thing but seems to fit.

There are a few perception based demonic Attunements, so it's not unreasonable.
However, it should be fairly easy to work out what will skyrocket with a skill check, and the more extreme the price inflation the easier it would be to work it out.
I'd be more inclined to run with a Will based Attunement that increases the profit margin by 25%; basically a specialized version of Mammon's Only The Best (S4 p 49)

06-23-2016, 10:47 AM	#1
PenitentDemon Join Date: Aug 2008	Word Associations Its hard to tell which Words some Words fall under 'Scalpers' a concept I only learned of a week or so ago... Do they fall more naturally under Valefor or Mammon Hmmmn give them a rite, that every time they observe misery created because of them buying up the tickets, they get an extra essence? Oh the Word of "Localization of Anime" falls under Nybass, and is charged with gutting Anime and removing everything distinctively jappanese about it.

06-23-2016, 02:30 PM	#2
johndallman Night Watchman Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Cambridge, UK	Re: Word Associations Mammon, I think. The scalper isn't technically stealing anything, just manipulating a market. __________________ The Path of Cunning. Indexes: DFRPG Characters, Advantage of the Week, Disadvantage of the Week, Skill of the Week, Techniques.

06-23-2016, 11:15 PM	#5
Whitelaughter Join Date: Jun 2011	Re: Word Associations Given they are exploiting the system, I would assume The Game. An important consideration is not where a Word 'logically' belongs, but which Prince has the power to ensure that they control it. While Mammon may have started out with the Word, Valefor would have been able to steal when Mammon's power base crashed - but not have been able to keep it, as Thieves need to keep moving, while scalpers will prefer to have a stable base of suppliers and customers. The Word of Scalpers probably would have fallen under the Demon of Fences while in Theft(who in turn would have been under Smuggling, and likely also stolen from Greed), but under the Demon of Rationing while in The Game. Meanwhile their opponent in Heaven would have been a Trader under Free Trade for all of this period (possibly with Paid Shoppers as an intermediate boss). Interesting to consider whether that stability is a greater or lesser benefit than the extra attunements available while jumping ship.

06-24-2016, 06:03 PM	#8
PenitentDemon Join Date: Aug 2008	Re: Word Associations oh for an attunement for Scalpers is this Reasonable? "Can divine which tickets, are likely to balloon in value" I know divinitary Attunements are more of an Angelic thing but seems to fit.