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09-21-2017, 09:08 PM | #11 |
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Re: How do you force a celestial to celestial combat? And what do you do with captive
They hate when non-angels see them drunk? 0:)
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09-24-2017, 04:17 PM | #12 |
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Re: How do you force a celestial to celestial combat? And what do you do with captive
One way to get a demon into celestial form (unless you're a Seraph) is deception ... make him think he can ambush and destroy an *angel* in celestial form and then turn the tables. Be warned, though, that celestial combat takes a long time unless you use house rules of one kind or another, so you need a demon that is either committed to the fight or who can't retreat easily, either to Hell or to Earth. My crew pulled it off a couple of times and both times involved Shedim.
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09-25-2017, 08:20 AM | #13 |
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Re: How do you force a celestial to celestial combat? And what do you do with captive
Rather than soul killing a demon, the simplest way to take them out permanently is to drug them up to their eyeballs while unconscious. The rules (CPG 124-126) are quite brutal; LSD alone can *permanently* reduce their Will by multiple points, ensuring that they will never escape Trauma.
Other drug inflict Discord, as does NC:Tongue. Even coffee is a serious threat to Celestials. If you are going the Sorcerous route, consider getting the Sorcerer to Will-War 5 demonlings into submission and get a Creationer to beget a reliever with their 'assistance': that's far more productive than just killing them. However, do bear in mind that going the vindictive route - and soul killing is definitely the vindictive route - is going to be noticed. Slapping a demon into Trauma hurts their Superior, since a new Vessel must be paid for out of the Word's essence; but local demons are unlikely to care (especially since the demon is likely from a rival Word). *Killing* the demon...that's going to persuade the demons to co-operate against you, out of self-preservation. The immunity of Malakim to Trauma means that the current low level warfare and stalemate actually benefits Heaven, combat turning nasty surrenders that advantage. |
09-26-2017, 11:08 AM | #14 |
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Re: How do you force a celestial to celestial combat? And what do you do with captive
Always wondered, When a Celestials sent on a mission thats likely to involve celestial combat, how healthy should their reward be?
Should a angel in particular have lost forces replaced? it said archangels will sometimes replace forces lost during a redemption... and a angel who loses them on a mission to Hell has a greater claim I think. |
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10-01-2017, 11:46 AM | #16 |
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Zadkiel? Thought id ask.
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10-01-2017, 01:45 PM | #17 |
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Re: How do you force a celestial to celestial combat? And what do you do with captive
Hmmmmm... The Archangel of Protection...
If the Forces were lost while defending somebody else, she'd probably replace them. If the Forces were lost because somebody went on the attack before others were ready, she probably wouldn't. (Then again, I suspect any Superior would frown upon a "Leroy Jenkins" maneuver.) In general, if the action that caused the Force loss furthered the Superior's Word, then the Superior is probably going to be willing to restore the Forces.
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10-03-2017, 10:50 AM | #18 |
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10-05-2017, 09:24 AM | #19 |
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Re: How do you force a celestial to celestial combat? And what do you do with captive
When a angel is sent to hell, or a demon to heaven, on a mission, I think the results will speak for themselves
Though, losing forces, is not a good sign, sadly, as most such missions will emphasize stealth In heaven and hell, it says that Lucifers decreed any angels found in hell should be captured alive, so they can be interrogated and tortured. Probaly about same thing for a demon found in heaven? except the torture? asking "Why did you come, how did you come, were you sent on a mission by a superior, do you have a agent on our side, did you do anything prior to your capture? Last edited by PenitentDemon; 10-05-2017 at 09:29 AM. |
10-05-2017, 05:20 PM | #20 |
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Re: How do you force a celestial to celestial combat? And what do you do with captive
Assuming that the Light of Heaven hasn't toasted them before they're captured, yes. And Heaven doesn't need torture; it just needs a Choir of Seraphim. (Put enough of the Most Holy together and one of them will roll a 6 on their "detect Truth" CD...)
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