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Old 09-30-2020, 03:43 AM   #11
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But a nurse can't do Diagnosis and Therapy that a physicain or surgeon do... these are a licensed tasks that is allowed only for a doctor...
at least in Korea.

In Korea, there is an accident that a doctor who ordered his nurse to do endobronchial anesthesia is accused and his license is suspended for 3 months.
Below is the news (written in Korean).
http://www.medicaltimes.com/News/1095064
That's a matter of society rules and norms, not a direct representation of actual skills.

In GURPS terms it might be because society expect that the nurse has skill-level:12 where the doctor is expectet to have Skill-level:14.
However some experienced nurses likely have higher skill levels than rookie doctors (or even experienced doctors).
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Old 09-30-2020, 03:53 AM   #12
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But a nurse can't do Diagnosis and Therapy that a physicain or surgeon do... these are a licensed tasks that is allowed only for a doctor...
at least in Korea.

In Korea, there is an accident that a doctor who ordered his nurse to do endobronchial anesthesia is accused and his license is suspended for 3 months.
Below is the news (written in Korean).
http://www.medicaltimes.com/News/1095064
those are laws, not the way skills are used in the game. An experienced nurse sure can do a diagnostic (and may be even good at it), but it would be irresponsible and illegal to treat the patient based in the nurse diagnostic as their learning is not guaranteed as complete.

Maz beatme to it
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Old 09-30-2020, 05:34 AM   #13
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This questions are made for me when I was making my university starships. When I established the College of Medicine in my starship I made a question that "how can I represent College of Nursing in my university starships?".
The Bio-Tech templates for nurses, doctors, and related professions, are considered definitive. Here's my interpretation of them:

Nurses are a 65-point template, and have a primary skill of Physician, which they use for giving treatment. Their secondary skills are Diagnosis, for spotting problems, Diplomacy, for keeping the patients happy, and in high-tech settings, Electronics Operation (Medical) for making sure monitoring is working.

Doctors are a 95-point template. Their primary skills are Diagnosis, for figuring out what the problem is, Physician, for knowing what to do about it, and Physiology, for knowing how things actually work inside their patients. Their secondary skills are Electronics Operation (Medical), for knowing what to monitor, Pharmacy (Synthetic) for knowing how medicines will behave, and Surgery, although specialist surgeons buy up that skill quite a bit. Note that doctors don't have Diplomacy as a template skill.
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Old 09-30-2020, 05:56 AM   #14
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Also, while doctors are generally given higher skill levels than nurses, nurse work probably has positive Task Difficulty Modifiers more often. One could probably treat a doctor's Physician roll to prescribe treatment as a complementary skill roll to the nurse's Physician roll to apply the treatment.
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Old 09-30-2020, 06:30 AM   #15
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That is rolled into the monthly jobs roll. While nurses will generally deal with routine matters (+4 to skill), they generally do end up screening patients in the USA. In other nations though, they have have greater or lesser responsibility.
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Old 09-30-2020, 06:38 AM   #16
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In Sweden there's a lot they can do, but they only do it if the doctor orders it and it is the doctor's responsibility.
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Old 09-30-2020, 07:31 AM   #17
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In Sweden there's a lot they can do, but they only do it if the doctor orders it and it is the doctor's responsibility.
Well, in practice Korean nurses do many things too, and they are supervised by doctors too.
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Old 09-30-2020, 07:40 AM   #18
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In places without elaborate division of labor in medical contexts, working nurses should also have Housekeeping to cover cleaning their equipment and workspaces and basic food prep for their patients.
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Old 09-30-2020, 07:48 AM   #19
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In New Zealand a Registered Nurse can prescribe some medications, and a Nurse Practitioner can prescribe the same range that a doctor can, so the line between what a GP doctor and do and a very experienced and qualified nurse is quite blurred both in terms of skills and (in this country) legally.
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Old 09-30-2020, 07:52 AM   #20
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In New Zealand a Registered Nurse can prescribe some medications, and a Nurse Practitioner can prescribe the same range that a doctor can, so the line between what a GP doctor and do and a very experienced and qualified nurse is quite blurred both in terms of skills and (in this country) legally.
Well, Korean nurses never get these rights. In Korea medicine prescription is only for doctors (and Haneuisa, who do the esoteric medicine of Korea - Haneuisa prescripts Hanyak, the Korean esoteric drugs.).

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