02-13-2018, 01:56 PM | #1 |
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Combat Reflexes without defense bonus
In an effort to reprice Combat Reflexes more fairly, I was thinking of getting rid of the defense bonus and instead having it merely allow purchase of one level of any (or all) enhanced defenses. So minus the defense bonus, how much is Combat Reflexes really worth? The goal is to make it an attractive option, rather than step one in building a fighter.
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02-13-2018, 02:02 PM | #2 | |
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Re: Combat Reflexes without defense bonus
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Not sure if there is anything else worth even that much.
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02-13-2018, 02:08 PM | #3 |
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Re: Combat Reflexes without defense bonus
Fast Draw bonus [4]
Resistance to Fright Checks +2 (Resistant, Occasional +3) [4] Never Freeze in surprise situation (Resistant, Rare, Immunity) [5] IQ +6 to wake Up, or Recover from Surprise, stun (Resistant, Common +8) [8] Side gets +1 Initive Not a perfect match but as you can see its a great deal even without the Active Defense bonus.
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02-13-2018, 02:09 PM | #4 |
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Re: Combat Reflexes without defense bonus
Pricing on some of the parts that are clear:
+1 fast draw: 2 pt +2 fright check: 4 pt Then less clear: You never “freeze” in a surprise situation. Sounds like immunity at common or occasional rarity: so 10-15 points Then the +6 to those IQ rolls is likely about -60% for high combat games and closer to -80% for low: so 24-48 points. Or maybe there is some other trait that could be used? Initiative: No idea on pricing. But total is thus about 40-75 points. So even without the defenses the value is more than 15 points, how much more depends a lot on the IQ roll bonuses and Initiative values |
02-13-2018, 02:31 PM | #5 |
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Re: Combat Reflexes without defense bonus
I would keep it at 15 pts.
If you ever use the surprise rules, then it is still worth it. If you never really use them and just go for "whoever has highest speed go first", then it will rarely be worth it. |
02-13-2018, 02:45 PM | #6 | |
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02-13-2018, 03:12 PM | #8 | |
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02-13-2018, 03:16 PM | #9 |
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Re: Combat Reflexes without defense bonus
I agree. I am not quite sure why you want to change Combat Reflexes because it is already fair. It is an essential advantage for any combat-oriented character and is hardly abusive considering that everyone can purchase it, even after character creation, and it has been unchanged for 30 years because it works.
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02-13-2018, 03:19 PM | #10 |
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Re: Combat Reflexes without defense bonus
Yes, 3rd edition was published in 1988, thirty years ago.
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