Dodge and Move calculation

Erling · 10-11-2016, 08:20 AM

There are many factors which affect Dodge and Move: Basic Speed, HP and FP under 1/3, posture, encumbrance, advantages and disadvantages. In which order shall I apply factors? Multiplicative first, additive second? Trait-related first, situational second?

Example #1.
A character with Basic Move 7 was wounded (under 1/3 HP, Move x0.5). He also has Light encumbrance (Move x0.8). Resulting Move is 3 (7x0.5=4 (round up), then 4x0.8=3 (round down)). What will happen if he activates an implant (takes drug, etc.) which temporarily grants +1 Basic Move? Looks like nothing's gonna change (8x0.5=4, then 4x0.8=3 (round down)).

Example #2.
A character with Dodge 10 was wounded (under 1/3 HP, Dodge x0.5). Resulting Dodge is 5. What will happen if he uses Acrobatic Dodge (+2 Dodge)? Will his Dodge become 6 or 7?

Tomsdad · 10-11-2016, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Erling

There are many factors which affect Dodge and Move: Basic Speed, HP and FP under 1/3, posture, encumbrance, advantages and disadvantages. In which order shall I apply factors? Multiplicative first, additive second? Trait-related first, situational second?

Example #1.
A character with Basic Move 7 was wounded (under 1/3 HP, Move x0.5). He also has Light encumbrance (Move x0.8). Resulting Move is 3 (7x0.5=4 (round up), then 4x0.8=3 (round down)). What will happen if he activates an implant (takes drug, etc.) which temporarily grants +1 Basic Move? Looks like nothing's gonna change (8x0.5=4, then 4x0.8=3 (round down)).

Not 100% on that one, I think I'd need to see the wording of the implant

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Originally Posted by Erling

Example #2.
A character with Dodge 10 was wounded (under 1/3 HP, Dodge x0.5). Resulting Dodge is 5. What will happen if he uses Acrobatic Dodge (+2 Dodge)? Will his Dodge become 6 or 7?

IMO it's 7 because you're adding 2 to the your dodge stat (which is now 5 instead of 10). Which is why seriously wounded people tend to take options that maximise this kind of benefit like retreat.

That said in this instance I'd likely penalise the acrobatics roll in some way even if outside the 1 turn shock period (but that's me, and double dipping the penalty).

trooper6 · 10-11-2016, 10:58 AM

I can tell you how it makes sense to me and how I do it. I see a clear order of operations based on permanence.

Move is the base, the priority.
Then next most permanent then goes: Advantages/Disadvantages. Things that permanently affect your Move or Dodge.
Then encumbrance. Because that is the next most unchanging in the combat line. If you are in heavy armor you are in heavy armor regardless of your posture or injury status.
Then posture, because everyone has a posture, not everyone is wounded or winded.
Then wounded/winded status, because not everyone has it, but when you do, it sticks around for a while.
Then one second penalties like Shock/Stun
Then one second bonuses like All Out Defense, etc.

~~smurf~~ · 10-11-2016, 11:18 AM

Isn't dodge alway speed +3?

Basic move of 5 +3 and if injured (as noted above) 2 +3.

RyanW · 10-11-2016, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by smurf

Isn't dodge alway speed +3?

Basic move of 5 +3 and if injured (as noted above) 2 +3.

Dodge isn't based on Move, but on Basic Speed (which is not modified by injury).

weby · 10-11-2016, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RyanW

Dodge isn't based on Move, but on Basic Speed (which is not modified by injury).

It is modified. see B380

sir_pudding · 10-11-2016, 05:09 PM

No, Basic Speed doesn't get modified by injury. GURPS turn sequence is invariant, and stuff actually breaks a little if you start shuffling it in the middle of combat.

corwyn · 10-11-2016, 05:27 PM

Huh, what do you know. BS 380 does say halve basic speed and is not errata'd.

sir_pudding · 10-11-2016, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by corwyn

Huh, what do you know. BS 380 does say halve basic speed and is not errata'd.

Weird. Well I wouldn't actually do that.

corwyn · 10-11-2016, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sir_pudding

Weird. Well I wouldn't actually do that.

Hells, no, me either. That way lies madness.

10-11-2016, 10:58 AM	#3
trooper6 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Medford, MA	Re: Dodge and Move calculation I can tell you how it makes sense to me and how I do it. I see a clear order of operations based on permanence. Move is the base, the priority. Then next most permanent then goes: Advantages/Disadvantages. Things that permanently affect your Move or Dodge. Then encumbrance. Because that is the next most unchanging in the combat line. If you are in heavy armor you are in heavy armor regardless of your posture or injury status. Then posture, because everyone has a posture, not everyone is wounded or winded. Then wounded/winded status, because not everyone has it, but when you do, it sticks around for a while. Then one second penalties like Shock/Stun Then one second bonuses like All Out Defense, etc.

10-11-2016, 11:18 AM	#4
~~smurf~~ Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bristol	Re: Dodge and Move calculation Isn't dodge alway speed +3? Basic move of 5 +3 and if injured (as noted above) 2 +3.

10-11-2016, 05:09 PM	#7
sir_pudding Wielder of Smart Pants Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ventura CA	Re: Dodge and Move calculation No, Basic Speed doesn't get modified by injury. GURPS turn sequence is invariant, and stuff actually breaks a little if you start shuffling it in the middle of combat.

10-11-2016, 05:27 PM	#8
corwyn MIB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Saskatoon, SK	Re: Dodge and Move calculation Huh, what do you know. BS 380 does say halve basic speed and is not errata'd. __________________ MiB 7704 Playing: GURPS Nordlond Dragons of Hosgarth Running Savage Worlds Tour of Darkness (Vietnam + Mythos)

10-11-2016, 08:20 AM	#1
Erling Join Date: Sep 2014	Dodge and Move calculation There are many factors which affect Dodge and Move: Basic Speed, HP and FP under 1/3, posture, encumbrance, advantages and disadvantages. In which order shall I apply factors? Multiplicative first, additive second? Trait-related first, situational second? Example #1. A character with Basic Move 7 was wounded (under 1/3 HP, Move x0.5). He also has Light encumbrance (Move x0.8). Resulting Move is 3 (7x0.5=4 (round up), then 4x0.8=3 (round down)). What will happen if he activates an implant (takes drug, etc.) which temporarily grants +1 Basic Move? Looks like nothing's gonna change (8x0.5=4, then 4x0.8=3 (round down)). Example #2. A character with Dodge 10 was wounded (under 1/3 HP, Dodge x0.5). Resulting Dodge is 5. What will happen if he uses Acrobatic Dodge (+2 Dodge)? Will his Dodge become 6 or 7? __________________ When in deadly danger, When beset by doubt, Run in little circles, Wave your arms and shout. Last edited by Erling; 10-11-2016 at 08:23 AM.