Advantages that can be replicated with gear, possible limitation / cost reduction?

[Mark Skarr]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Payload offers Cargo and Occupants. Equipment in use is neither one. Also, all the examples given are clearly pockets.

However, objects in payload can be used by the occupants with no problem. By purchasing the Extra Arm (Gear Mount), you are purchasing the ability to use them internally.

Originally Posted by Anthony

Advantages on signature gear do not affect the gear -- you can't buy signature gear (sword; cosmic(ignores DR))[4].

No, but you can put enhancements and limitations on Extra Arm. I do admit that my original pricing doesn't make that clear, and for that, I am sorry.

[Refplace]

Originally Posted by Mark Skarr

However, objects in payload can be used by the occupants with no problem. By purchasing the Extra Arm (Gear Mount), you are purchasing the ability to use them internally.


No, but you can put enhancements and limitations on Extra Arm. I do admit that my original pricing doesn't make that clear, and for that, I am sorry.

Also besides pockets Payload can represent cabins and control rooms.
Bioships in GURPS BioTech for example not only have Payload but Extra Arms and other stuff on an "Internal Only" limitation -50%

[vierasmarius]

Originally Posted by Mark Skarr

However, objects in payload can be used by the occupants with no problem. By purchasing the Extra Arm (Gear Mount), you are purchasing the ability to use them internally.

Even that may not be necessary. Several of the military robots from Transhuman Space: Changing Times (notably the RATS and UCAV) have Payloads but lack Weapon Mounts. The notes for the robots make it clear that they can still fire through weapon ports.

[Mark Skarr]

Originally Posted by vierasmarius

Even that may not be necessary. Several of the military robots from Transhuman Space: Changing Times (notably the RATS and UCAV) have Payloads but lack Weapon Mounts. The notes for the robots make it clear that they can still fire through weapon ports.

That seems just a little hinky. But, I haven't read Changing Times. Though, I still think purchasing the Extra Arm (Gear Mount) makes it more fair.

[ericthered]

Originally Posted by Mark Skarr

That seems just a little hinky. But, I haven't read Changing Times. Though, I still think purchasing the Extra Arm (Gear Mount) makes it more fair.

Its two points. I would vary if it was charged or not though. charging that or payload is probably a good idea.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Mark Skarr

However, objects in payload can be used by the occupants with no problem.

Sure. However, using those objects on things outside the payload requires a hole or at least a window.

On the topic of extra arm (gear mount), I think the key questions are "when you're using this item, does it consume an arm" and "do I need to take a turn to ready this item when it's not in hand". As long as the answers are Yes and Yes, I think not taking the extra arm is kosher.

[Daigoro]

No mention yet of the Accessory Perk? Although I think it seems redundant with a Weapon Mount, as both allow you to use a piece of attached equipment.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Daigoro

No mention yet of the Accessory Perk?

Accessory specifically excludes things that can be bought as advantages.

[Daigoro]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Accessory specifically excludes things that can be bought as advantages.

This can't be absolutely true, as an Accessory computer, which is specifically mentioned, can do arithmetic (Lightning Calculator), keep time (Absolute Timing) and store data (limited Photographic Memory).

It can also send email, so it would be odd to exclude video chat apps like Skype (Telecommunication).

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Daigoro

This can't be absolutely true, as an Accessory computer, which is specifically mentioned.

Ah, inconsistency. The basic text says 'minor, noncombat benefits not otherwise covered by a specific advantage', so an accessory computer, unless also combined with relevant advantages, seems against the rules. Note that Skype isn't telecommunications, the telecommunications part of it is the fact that it's able to connect to cell and wi-fi networks.