Weapon Mastery, the long and winding road

Nils_Lindeberg · 05-18-2019, 09:00 AM

With a normal 32 point character you can't start with DX 14 and IQ 13. You need a 35 point character to even get to ST 8, DX 14, IQ 13. Not so bad, you game for four to ten nights, get your 400 xp, and voila!

Not quite. If you had started with a very talented or somewhat experienced character you could be a master at 35 points. But since you started with a 32 point character, you can't buy the mastery talent from the start. Neither can you save IQ talents points by not using them at character creation, as far as I can see. There are no Study talents as in the first edition either. You will have to buy the talent at full talent cost, no matter what. Even if you start with an IQ of 13, you can't buy the talent, even though it doesn't work until you get DX 14, you can't even buy it without DX 14. So not only do you need to get to 35 points, that is 400 xp, you also have to invest 1500 extra xp for the talent itself.

So there is a huge difference between starting with a 35 point character and getting there from a 32 point character.

Is there a rule for saving unspent IQ talent points, that you can activate later on when you meet the prereqs? Or is there another way, bar magic stat boosting items that you can have from the start on a more or less permanent basis to get around the DX prereq?

Waiting for 400 xp is ok for most players, but 1900 xp just to be able to stab someone with a dagger is kind of expensive. Especially since a person that spent that XP on more attributes would be close to a 38 point character! And since we have proven that mastery isn't OP, by way of simulations, a 2,5 attribute point penalty will make it very sub par. Unless you start as a 35 point character, or you are allowed to save talent points at the start, then it is balanced.

Thoughts or links to this conundrum being discussed earlier would be nice? This is not quite the same problem as someone starting with a high IQ and by doing that gets bonus XP compared to the same build at higher levels where the IQ was bought later.

05-18-2019, 09:00 AM	#1
Nils_Lindeberg Join Date: Jul 2018	Weapon Mastery, the long and winding road With a normal 32 point character you can't start with DX 14 and IQ 13. You need a 35 point character to even get to ST 8, DX 14, IQ 13. Not so bad, you game for four to ten nights, get your 400 xp, and voila! Not quite. If you had started with a very talented or somewhat experienced character you could be a master at 35 points. But since you started with a 32 point character, you can't buy the mastery talent from the start. Neither can you save IQ talents points by not using them at character creation, as far as I can see. There are no Study talents as in the first edition either. You will have to buy the talent at full talent cost, no matter what. Even if you start with an IQ of 13, you can't buy the talent, even though it doesn't work until you get DX 14, you can't even buy it without DX 14. So not only do you need to get to 35 points, that is 400 xp, you also have to invest 1500 extra xp for the talent itself. So there is a huge difference between starting with a 35 point character and getting there from a 32 point character. Is there a rule for saving unspent IQ talent points, that you can activate later on when you meet the prereqs? Or is there another way, bar magic stat boosting items that you can have from the start on a more or less permanent basis to get around the DX prereq? Waiting for 400 xp is ok for most players, but 1900 xp just to be able to stab someone with a dagger is kind of expensive. Especially since a person that spent that XP on more attributes would be close to a 38 point character! And since we have proven that mastery isn't OP, by way of simulations, a 2,5 attribute point penalty will make it very sub par. Unless you start as a 35 point character, or you are allowed to save talent points at the start, then it is balanced. Thoughts or links to this conundrum being discussed earlier would be nice? This is not quite the same problem as someone starting with a high IQ and by doing that gets bonus XP compared to the same build at higher levels where the IQ was bought later.