09-07-2017, 03:05 PM | #41 |
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09-07-2017, 03:08 PM | #42 |
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Re: Spear worth it? fantasy campain
The point that I think was lost was that just because you don't have a classic weapon in your "off hand" does not mean others should or would ignore it completely.
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09-07-2017, 03:13 PM | #43 |
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Re: Spear worth it? fantasy campain
If that thing is less effective than the fist that holds it then they should. Not " literally anything" it is possible to hold can be "used offensively" in any effective way.
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09-07-2017, 05:51 PM | #44 |
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If you're going to be pedantic about my use of "literally", then I can respond by saying that getting slapped with a wet noodle would still count as "offensive". ;)
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09-07-2017, 06:23 PM | #46 |
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I'm just saying that the cliche "everything is a weapon" doesn't really take into account that some things are better immediate weapons than others, and there's a whole class of things (including some seriously weaponizable ones like fertilizer and uranium ore) that aren't usually better than fists or any other rock or whatever, if you need a weapon right now.
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09-07-2017, 06:33 PM | #47 |
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Re: Spear worth it? fantasy campain
I like a Wood-Elf Spear Master build, using the +1 Move to advantage to get the 2-hex "Step". I like to use the Reach 2 and 2-hex step to keep tripping opponents from 3-hex range, making them Move to attack (skill capped at 9). With a 17 parry, they have a hard time touching you.
Something like the following: Name: Spear-Master Race: Wood Elf Attributes [185] ST 13 [40] (ST includes -1 from 'Wood Elf (Dungeon Fantasy)') DX 16 [100] (DX includes +1 from 'Wood Elf (Dungeon Fantasy)') IQ 10 HT 12 [20] HP 13 Will 10 Per 12 [10] FP 12 Basic Lift 34 Damage 1d/2d-1 Basic Speed 7 Basic Move 11 [15] (Basic Move includes +1 from 'Wood Elf (Dungeon Fantasy)') Ground Move 11 Water Move 2 Social Background TL: 3 [0] Cultural Familiarities: Languages: Advantages [75] Appearance (Attractive) [4*] Combat Reflexes [15] Enhanced Parry (Spear) (2) [10] Forest Guardian (4) [10+10*] Magery 0 [5*] Weapon Master (Spear) (One specific weapon) [20] * = item is owned Wood Elf (Dungeon Fantasy). Perks [1] Elven Gear [1*] Form Mastery (Spear-Staff) [1] * = item is owned by Wood Elf (Dungeon Fantasy). Disadvantages [-50] Bloodlust (12 or less) [-10] Callous [-5] Code of Honor (Bushido) [-15] Curious (12 or less) [-5] Honesty (12 or less) [-10] Racial ST Penalty (-1) [-10*] Sense of Duty (Adventuring companions) [-5] Sense of Duty (Nature) [-15*] * = item is owned by Wood Elf (Dungeon Fantasy). Quirks [-5] _Unused Quirk 1 [-1] _Unused Quirk 2 [-1] _Unused Quirk 3 [-1] _Unused Quirk 4 [-1] _Unused Quirk 5 [-1] Packages [0] Elves (Dungeon Fantasy) [0] Wood Elf (Dungeon Fantasy) [20] Skills [44] Acrobatics DX/H - DX+0 16 [4] Bow DX/A - DX+4 20 [2] # Fast-Draw (Arrow) DX/E - DX+6 22 [1] #, $ Feint (Spear) Tech/H - 24 [5] Spear DX/A - DX+4 20 [16] includes: Enhanced Parry (Spear) Spear Thrower DX/A - DX-1 15 [1] Staff DX/A - DX+4 20 [8] Stealth DX/A - DX+3 19 [1] # Survival (Woodlands) Per/A - Per+3 15 [1] # Sweep (Spear) Tech/H - 20 [4] Thrown Weapon (Spear) DX/E - DX+0 16 [1] # includes: +4 from 'Forest Guardian' $ includes: +1 from 'Combat Reflexes' Stats [185] Ads [75] Disads [-50] Quirks [-5] Skills [44] = Total [250] Hand Weapons 1 Spear (Fine, Balanced) LC:4 $280 Wgt:4 1H Thrust Dam:1d+5 imp Reach:1* Parry:17 ST:9 Skill:SK:Spear(21) Notes:[1] 2H Thrust Dam:1d+6 imp Reach:1,2* Parry:17 ST:9† Skill:SK:Spear(21) Ranged Weapons 1 Spear LC:4 Dam:1d+5 imp Acc:2 Range:13 / 20 RoF:1 Shots:T(1) ST:9 Bulk:-3 Rcl: $280 Wgt:4 Armor & Possessions 1 Boots $80 Wgt:3 Location:feet 1 Buff Leather Coat $210 Wgt:16 Location:body, limbs 1 Gauntlets $100 Wgt:2 Location:hands 1 Leather Helm $20 Wgt:.5 Location:skull, face |
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Re: Spear worth it? fantasy campain
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The line "if it's in your hand, it's a weapon", was in reference to shields. i.e I wasn't inferring anything that can be held in your hand is a weapon*, just that shields are weapons (even if they are also great at protecting you and your mates). Basically it's a refutation of the idea that a shield is "armour you hold" a concept which crops up in some RPG systems like 'Shield -1 AC' (as referenced by DouglasCole). *although yeah there is a meme about that Last edited by Tomsdad; 09-08-2017 at 03:44 AM. |
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I would note though that it says "After you have attacked your foe once by striking with your shield..." To be generous, it doesn't say that the attack has to succeed. I think if your opponent is swinging a 4' wooden board with intent at your chin, it doesn't have to connect to convince you that he's using it as a weapon. In fact, a successful Intimidation or Fast Talk roll could substitute if you say something like, "You know, I named my shield Chin-Whacker. Wanna know why?" Then jump straight to a Shield Feint. Quote:
The only reason I could think of would be if you're worried about losing your spear and switching to a back-up one-handed weapon, so you'd still have the benefit of the high Shield Feint, but that didn't seem to be the kind of situation your post was concerned with. And I'm not sure if your Feint with one hand can carry over to an attack with a weapon in your other hand, though that sounds like something in MA. PS: A wet noodle could present a serious choking hazard.
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I dunno, I suspect it takes a certain level of cinematic awesomeness to reliably *hold on to* a wet noodle while swinging it around like a weapon - they're pretty slippery. So if some lunatic is successfully doing that, it's possible it's going to be surprisingly dangerous.
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