03-18-2015, 02:26 PM | #941 |
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Re: New Reality Seeds
Diplomacy -- what a game. Not sure that'd I'd recommend it as a way to do alternate history on a colonial scale in the 1860's though -- its built to do total war on the scale (and population density) of just Europe.
The game got me thinking about the dutch, and what a history that preserved their empire would look like. On one hand, they have a lot of power in the 1700's, particuarly their colonies, but they seem to get knocked out of whack pretty hard by the french revolution, and if you move that --- well, your history looks quite different. The Dutch you can't even pin on Napoleon -- they staged their own sister revolution. So you've either got to take out england and hope Austria, Prussia, and Russia are up to defeating Napoleon, or you have to remove the revolution altogether. hmm. still thinking about the idea...
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03-18-2015, 05:16 PM | #944 |
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I dunno, I find it hard to imagine a USA that has been independent for nearly a century being willing to accept neocolonial rule. Especially if it fell to the British in the midst of an internal civil war. If nothing else, the South would never stop fighting its insurgency... I could even imagine slaveholders arming their slaves, getting shot by their slaves, and then the ex-slaves living as hunted men against the British, the locals, and the USA Freedom Fighters.
I'm actually curious what will happen over the next few years in the game. USA could push back against the British... but the Russians in Alaska have a surprisingly tenacious foothold. |
03-19-2015, 06:47 AM | #945 |
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Perhaps the Dutch East India Company managed to consolidate its position in Asia at the end of the 17th century and effectively freeze its rivals out. This would probably require (inter alia) a Japan that was not so completely isolated from the rest of the world. The result is a Dutch Empire that fills many of the same niches as the British did in Homeline, including opening up China to trade.
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03-19-2015, 10:42 AM | #946 |
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Just a seed this time, inspired by the fabulous map on xkcd
Its something of a joke world, but pick a date (I suggest sometime between now and the cold war) and have everyone wake up and the world is upside down. weather is mysteriously maintained or averaged out. Nothing else weird seems to be going on, beyond widespread consternation and scientists tearing out their hair trying to figure out what happened. Alternatively, have an extremely high inertia world where the world has always looked like this, yet has mostly the same cultures and geopolitics as our world.
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03-19-2015, 03:59 PM | #950 |
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For a 'Dutch' world I can few possibilities (a reality seed each?)
The fronde is decided in favor of the french nobles. This causes the dutch to remain strong and able to keep their own against both england at sea and france on the land, and they keep a world spanning empire including indonesia, south africa, and much of india. As side effects of a weaker french monarchy, russia's westernization is less likely and less complete, the american revolution either fails or takes much longer time to succeed, and the french revolution gets put off schedule. Europe will have less powerful monarchs and more powerful "Houses of Lords" (such as the dutch estates general). The house of orange merges with the english royal house in about 1650. The Dutch don't take anywhere near the hammering they took in the late 17th century. When the netherlands are conquered during the napoleonic wars, England does not take the opportunity to trash the western half of the dutch empire, but rather keeps it safe. The Kings find it quite useful to play parliament and the estates general off of each other, not to mention various rival factions on each side of the channel. The Dutch merge with the Prussians, who have the military strength to weather the storms of european war. And with the wealth of the dutch, Prussia consolidates a german empire more quickly (combining at this point, you're likely to not have german and dutch considered different languages), and the dutch colonies become the much coveted German colonies. The dutch are still likely to loose some of their colonies, but WWI is much more likely to be an actual world war. Germany is also more likely to have democratic elements in it at this time. The Dutch, through heavy colonization, build up a population that can maintain its sea power in some-place other than europe. The two big canidates are new york and south africa. In this time line, new york stays in dutch hands, and emigration to both there and south Africa increase. The American colonies become much less united, and the french keep their hands on canada. The american revolution is limited to new england. When the french take over holland in their war, the dutch goverment moves abroad, and allies with england in an effort to regain its home. the subsequent century sees lots of wars between the British, Dutch, French, and 'Americans' (new england) over the fate of the American interior. Napolean takes england and subdues europe. The colonies of europe mostly run independently, as napolean deals with rebellion after blood-soaked rebellion on the continent. After years of bloodshed, Napoleon is assassinated, and europe emerges from its painful unity. Holland comes out in wonderful shape. The old powers have exhausted themselves against France's finest young men and the most skilful general since alexander the great. Holland, who played the good little subject, is vibrant, and enters a new period of colonization.
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