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Old 09-19-2019, 08:12 PM   #1
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Default [Powers] Flight (No Upward Movement, -X%)?

Psionic Powers has a limitation called Slow that can limit the air movement while using Flight to move 1, this seems perfect to star modeling soft landing abilities (Illustrative Picture).
However, without further limitation it would also allow the character to fly as high as it wants. How much a limitation that prevents the ability from being used to move upwards would be worth?
As a related question, is there some limitation that limits the amount of time the ability can be used? Limited Use is very close, but it limits per "use", not "time". Would converting it be a 0 point special effect? i.e. "Limited Use, 1 use/day, Slow Reload" would allow 60 seconds of use before it would require recharging. It can be continuous 60 seconds of use, or 12 uses for 5 seconds each.
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Old 09-19-2019, 08:53 PM   #2
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If there's no upward movement, how are they flying? There's the Low Ceiling Limitation.
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Old 09-19-2019, 09:07 PM   #3
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If there's no upward movement, how are they flying? There's the Low Ceiling Limitation.
Flight is just the advantage name, the idea isn't that the character can fly but that it has enough propulsion to slow the fall velocity to 1 yards/second. Technically it would also allow floating indefinitely so I'd need to limit it as well.
As for Low Ceiling, I don't think the character can activate the ability above the top altitude, so it would leave a very small window of time to use it to break the fall. ie if the character fall from 15 yards, his fall velocity according to B431 will be 10 yps at 10 yards high, which will give him less than 1 second to activate the ability.
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Old 09-19-2019, 10:00 PM   #4
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If there's no upward movement, how are they flying? .
They aren't. They're parachuting.
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Old 09-19-2019, 10:04 PM   #5
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Default Re: [Powers] Flight (No Upward Movement, -X%)?

Also, I didn't see it the first time, but I think having that increased level of granularity for Limited Use would definitely make it be worth less as a limitation. Personally, my gut feeling would call it +5%, with it not being a worthwhile limitation if it ends up as -0%.
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Old 09-20-2019, 08:08 PM   #6
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They aren't. They're parachuting.
Maybe just take this as a literal interpretation of the power.

Accessory - Mental Parachute (No die roll required +100%, Telekinetic/super/whatever -5%, No Signature +20%, Cosmic - works at any height +50%, Cosmic - no mass +50%, requires mental "repacking" after use +0%) 4pts.

This lets your character deploy a parachute and safely and slowly glide to the ground during any fall. Afterwards, it requires the user to concentrate for a while to repack the chute for their next use.
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Old 09-21-2019, 03:45 AM   #7
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Afterwards, it requires the user to concentrate for a while to repack the chute for their next use.
That's Preparation Required, as opposed to Immediate Preparation Required.
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Old 09-21-2019, 05:11 AM   #8
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My first thought was also a heavily modified Accessory in that vein. Or you could buy all HP with Massless +0% and Reflexive +40%.
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Old 09-21-2019, 07:12 AM   #9
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That's Preparation Required, as opposed to Immediate Preparation Required.
Sure... but unless it literally means they're dragging a "telekinetic chute" around (and thus a nuisance), it just requires several Concentration actions (even if it is five minutes worth) at any point before they next require it's use and at best is ±0%.
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Old 09-19-2019, 09:46 PM   #10
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Psionic Powers has a limitation called Slow that can limit the air movement while using Flight to move 1, this seems perfect to star modeling soft landing abilities (Illustrative Picture).
However, without further limitation it would also allow the character to fly as high as it wants. How much a limitation that prevents the ability from being used to move upwards would be worth?
As a related question, is there some limitation that limits the amount of time the ability can be used? Limited Use is very close, but it limits per "use", not "time". Would converting it be a 0 point special effect? i.e. "Limited Use, 1 use/day, Slow Reload" would allow 60 seconds of use before it would require recharging. It can be continuous 60 seconds of use, or 12 uses for 5 seconds each.
Gliding stops you from gaining altitude, but it also doesn't really give you an air Move, so I don't know if it would be compatible. Honestly, given the amount of value you're losing from base Flight, I'd just call "Can only move 1 yd horizontally and must move down at least 1 yd every round" a -80% limitation and leave it at that. It does give you the problem of being essentially a far superior version of Catfall for only 2 pts more, but I think Catfall is overpriced anyway.
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