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Old 10-31-2013, 10:45 PM   #61
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While we're at it, last night's CSI had them checking a blackjack table for signs of cheating. The arrangements appeared to be a mechanical shuffler and an 8 deck stack (416 cards at a time). Anybody have any idea what that does to the difficulty of card-counting?
Counting is at the same rate, but you have to wait for it to get proportionately higher based on how many cards are left. I think they can also screw the counters by not playing all the way through the shoe, but I can't find any rules for when a shoe can be retired early.

Continuous shuffling machines can fubar counting as well as speed up the game so you lose faster, but since they put handled cards back into play, they might not survive 4W and 5W marking schemes.
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Old 10-31-2013, 11:01 PM   #62
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Continuous shuffling machines[/URL] can fubar counting as well as speed up the game so you lose faster, but since they put handled cards back into play, they might not survive 4W and 5W marking schemes.
Solvable with sleeves or smart paper cards that simply change their markings when you shuffle.
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Solvable with sleeves or smart paper cards that simply change their markings when you shuffle.
That eliminates shuffling entirely, but makes it susceptible to fixing like video poker. Which is bad because the state is typically complicit.

And still doesn't prevent the cards from being marked on in some subtle way.
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And still doesn't prevent the cards from being marked on in some subtle way.
It makes marking the cards irrelevant, because knowing what physical card you're dealing with doesn't help.
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It makes marking the cards irrelevant, because knowing what physical card you're dealing with doesn't help.
"4W and 5W marking schemes" include stuff like smart dust that lets you mark the front of the card and tells you via LPI what it currently says it is.
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"4W and 5W marking schemes" include stuff like smart dust that lets you mark the front of the card and tells you via LPI what it currently says it is.
Any wireless communication scheme (involving nano or not) can be busted by sensors at the table.
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Any wireless communication scheme (involving nano or not) can be busted by sensors at the table.
That's a mighty strong, nigh-absolute statement, unless you mean literally can rather than will. Cite?
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That's a mighty strong, nigh-absolute statement, unless you mean literally can rather than will. Cite?
You have some form of wireless communication that _can't_ be detected by sensors 3 feet away?
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You have some form of wireless communication that _can't_ be detected by sensors 3 feet away?
And more to the point, that can be detected by the person trying to use it? Sure, 5th wave cheating probably beats 3rd wave security, but why assume 3rd wave security?
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And more to the point, that can be detected by the person trying to use it?
Absolutely. One of the LPI techniques involves combining frequency hopping, bursting, random intervals, progressive threshold seeking, and OTP so that unless you have the previously shared secret to reproduce the random variations, the signals are nigh-indistinguishable from background noise or a reflection of some glitchy device. Better sensors for detection in 5W also mean better receivers can be signaled by lower power transmitters for better evasion.

Don't you guys remember hcobb ranting about this sort of stuff a while back?
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