02-21-2018, 11:04 PM | #41 |
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Re: How much does Xenophilia overrides self-preservation instincts?
Gotta say I don't agree with icelander on this one.
The disadvantage clearly states that the mechanical effect of failure on your xenophilia roll is that: you assume that the person/thing in question is interested in interacting with you socially. That's the mechanical effect, end, nothing about ignoring eminent danger (only the APPEARANCE of danger). So: BBEM pops out of the ground in front of the party and snarls lashing its claws about. Xenophile fails roll and assumes that the snarling and lashing of claws was some overture to be social with the xenophile- once the xenophile has concrete evidence that that snarling and lashing of claws was not in fact a 'hello' they can react 'normally'. The BBEM does not get a surprise attack against the xenophile- but the xenophile is not going to 'shoot first'- after all its just saying hello. If the xenophile encounters another BBEM very similar to the first one, they will not assume that the first one is an indication of the second one and if they fail their roll will assume it is trying to be social with them again. Xenophillia becomes radically more dangerous when you have other disadvantages (lecherous, and gregarious being big stand outs) because that assumption that the xeno is trying to initiate social iteration will lead to triggering your other disadvantage (IE- the thing which man was not meant to know is growling at us; It's making a pass at me! Roll lecherousness or else 'accept' its seduction attempt) |
02-21-2018, 11:54 PM | #42 | |
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Re: How much does Xenophilia overrides self-preservation instincts?
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For ex, in wartime, the enemy is Group A. No matter how nice they are in an absolute sense, interactions with them are likely to go badly if you're not in a position of strength. It may well be fair to say that 'people are people', but that breaks down rapidly in a situation with multiple, significantly different intelligent species or creatures. All of a sudden some people are consistently very different from other people, not out of misperception or lack of knowledge, but simply because that is reality. There's no guarantee that such multi-sapients will be compatible with each other. For a race of sapient rabbits, a race of sapient wolves or foxes is probably Group A (and the predator/prey relationship would not be a bad metaphor for the demon/mortal relationship). Or the vampire/mortal relationship. Predator and prey are, strictly speaking, natural enemies.
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02-22-2018, 09:01 AM | #43 | |
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Re: How much does Xenophilia overrides self-preservation instincts?
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The real problem for a character with Xenophilia is when the alien or exotic is already possesses an Average or greater appearance. If the tentacle creature possesses an Average appearance (let us say that they had a humanoid body of the correct gender laying within a nest of tentacles), then a character with Xenophile (6) would react as if the tentacle creature had a +4 Appearance (effectively Very Beautiful or Very Handsome). The character with Xenophilia (6) would almost certainly automatically fail their control roll for Lecherousness and would make a pass at the tentacle monster. |
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02-22-2018, 09:05 AM | #44 | |
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Re: How much does Xenophilia overrides self-preservation instincts?
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It's in Mysteries and Social Engineering. Both for Lecherousness and Xenophilia, you appear to be interpreting the Disadvantages way too narrowly and not considering how they might make the character more prone to being manipulated by other characters who fall under the heading of the Disadvantage and the character therefore 'finds fascinating' / 'is attracted to' as appropriate.
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02-22-2018, 09:14 AM | #45 |
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Re: How much does Xenophilia overrides self-preservation instincts?
I am just going by the rules in Characters . The rules in Mysteries and Social Engineering are going to be optional for most games, and that is only if the GM bothered to buy the book, so referring to them as if they are RAW rather than optional rules hardly makes any sense. Honestly, the majority of people are probably not going to have any GURPS book that they cannot find in their local gaming store, so they are going to just have the hardbacks (and the box sets like DF).
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02-22-2018, 09:23 AM | #46 | |
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Re: How much does Xenophilia overrides self-preservation instincts?
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The rules in Mysteries and Social Engineering are always on topic if a GM asks how to run a certain scenario in GURPS, because they are GURPS rules. Even a GM who doesn't own or use the books can easily be inspired by an approach they took to social interactions and use those rules at his table, in lieu of making up his own modifiers for the situation.* *Which, by the way, is equally RAW. Any roll can take a Task Difficulty Modifier and both Self-Control Rolls and Influence rolls routinely carry GM-assessed modifiers.
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