[3e] Cutty Sark

[Phaelen Bleux]

Originally Posted by Gef

I used it for near-future designs, and I loved the way it yielded believable improvements over real-world vehicles for equivalent cost, or equal capabilities with reduced cost.

I have done write ups for Foxfire and the "Mirage 4000" using the TL7 design as a base and making it up as "the future arrives today" (i.e., a TL8 jet in a TL7 campaign. Both worked out great and "believable."

[Ronnke]

Originally Posted by jason taylor

The funny thing is that Cutty Sark(girl's underskirt) was the only clipper not given a grandiose name. And the only one to survive into the twentieth century. Go figure.

Only one other clipper still survives today. The City of Adelaide for which there are plans to have her restored and moved to Australia. After the fire of the Cutty Sark (terribly sad), the City of Adelaide is probably the most complete/original ship of her class left.

http://cityofadelaide.org.au/

[jason taylor]

Originally Posted by Ronnke

Only one other clipper still survives today. The City of Adelaide for which there are plans to have her restored and moved to Australia. After the fire of the Cutty Sark (terribly sad), the City of Adelaide is probably the most complete/original ship of her class left.

http://cityofadelaide.org.au/

Really? I heard that Cutty Sark was the last.

[Ronnke]

Well, the Cutty Sark might end up being the last if the people looking to preserve the City of Adelaide can't get the appropriate funding.

The Scottish Maritime Museum who currently owns the ship put out tenders for the ships deconstruction. The land where the City of Adelaide is currently situated is set to be redeveloped, but the museum does not have the money to move the ship. In my opinion it would be a crime to destroy such a relic of our past, especially considering the ship is in very good condition.

As fair as I know they have managed to hold off the deconstruction crews, but are still chasing the money to get the ship moved.

[Braun]

What do you think is the reason for the disparity between the design draft of 10.5 and the actual draft of 21 feet?

Cargo weight?

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Phaelen Bleux

I owned Vehicles for over a decade without really cracking the cover. But really, with a minimum of investment, the system is just pretty much spot-on. I think the biggest flaws are with ships (specifically volume and draft, which I have gotten around with the discovery of the Builder's Old Measure and simply doubling design draft) and simply the front-end learning curve. But after that, every time I design a vehicle it's like a little Christmas present to have the Design Speed match the Real-World speed!!

And once you've mastered Vehicles, Robots is a breeze.

The amount of effort that went into a design often made it a very poor use of game-prep time, IMO. Numerous small details that system produced were largely irrelevant in play.

[Phaelen Bleux]

Originally Posted by Braun

What do you think is the reason for the disparity between the design draft of 10.5 and the actual draft of 21 feet?

Cargo weight?

No, I think that it is one of the errors of the Vehicles system. In fact, it seems that doubling the Draft almost always matches the historical value better when I have one; I list the design draft as a matter of technical-write-up-correctness.

If I were designing a boat without a real-world analog to compare it to, I would automatically double the design draft as more accurate for the physics of the design.

[Phaelen Bleux]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

The amount of effort that went into a design often made it a very poor use of game-prep time, IMO. Numerous small details that system produced were largely irrelevant in play.

All too true. At this point, it's a weird hobby of mine. Since I didn't upgrade to 4e, I elected to master all the ins-and-outs of 3e. . .especially designing things, since there would be no new material coming down the pipeline.

GURPS (then and now) could really use a book of basic vehicle designs all in one place, IMHO.