10-27-2020, 02:58 PM | #21 | |
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10-27-2020, 04:05 PM | #22 | |
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Re: Illegal WW2 modifications
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10-27-2020, 04:39 PM | #23 | |
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I don't know current doctrines, I have just seen how scary fast the turret on a modern armoured car can turn. My impression is that tank crews today spend more time buttoned up than they did in 1941-1945, but that well-trained crew still pop out the top of AFVs now and then.
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10-27-2020, 05:10 PM | #24 | |
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IIRC, later models did have modifications that allowed a machine gun to be fired from the cupola without exposing more than the commander's head and shoulders, but I'm not sure on that. E.t.a: presumably you could get a friendly infantryman to operate the gun for you if you had a proper infantry escort in built up terrain, but I don't know if that was doctrine or ever done - or even advisable. |
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10-27-2020, 06:09 PM | #25 | |
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10-27-2020, 06:46 PM | #26 | |
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The allies in Northwest Europe did not face serious ground-air attacks, so their tanks probably didn't need an air-defense MG.
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10-28-2020, 03:29 AM | #27 | |
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Enemy personnel at range, in any case, can perfectly well be engaged with the coaxial MG, which is also more accurate at range than any pintle mount. Important such targets (say, enemy personnel manning an ATG) will deserve a main gun HE round. Closer up, there's the hull MG. Infantrymen coming closer and around you can't be engaged with that, and even turning around the turret has its down sides. Turning around the whole tank is slow and dangerous, and you really don't do that if you think you may have serious opposition to the front (as in, an unspotted tank or anti-tank gunner ready to shoot you in your thinner rear armor). But that's one of the reasons why tanks did not go around alone. You have the rest of your platoon, including, usually, one tank that had the specific task of hanging back and covering your back. And ideally, you had friendly infantry trailing you and taking care of enemy Panzerjäger. Naturally, other armies, by the late war, also had one-tank solutions. The Germans had the Nahverteidigungswaffe that could be quickly traversed 360°. The Soviets had a not-terribly-effective rear-pointing MG in the back of their late-war heavies. |
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10-28-2020, 04:56 AM | #28 |
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That was there from quite early on, and the last heavy of WWII (barely), the IS-3 did not have a rear-turret machinegun (or a hull mounted one for that matter).
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10-28-2020, 06:44 AM | #29 |
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Didn't know about the Russian late war MGs - I do recall the Japanese attached turret MGs in almost any configuration but coaxial in most of their models.
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10-28-2020, 03:58 PM | #30 |
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If you want tanks with machineguns everywhere, check out US tanks from just prior to their entry into WWII, such as the M2 medium. Machineguns everywhere.
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