Firing Guns with Multiple Arms

[Kromm]

It's from not having Enhanced Tracking, actually. Ranged and melee DWA are not the same beast.

[Ulzgoroth]

Originally Posted by Kromm

It's from not having Enhanced Tracking, actually. Ranged and melee DWA are not the same beast.

Doesn't Enhanced Tracking enable Aiming at multiple targets, not firing at multiple targets?

[roguebfl]

Originally Posted by Kalzazz

Why is this restricted to one target? DWA is allowed vs 1 or 2 targets

Aiming at multiple targets and Attacking multiple targets are not the same thing. Kromm said Aimming at multiple targets is impossible without enhanced track. Doesn't stop you from taking an unaimed shot.

[starslayer]

Originally Posted by Ulzgoroth

Doesn't Enhanced Tracking enable Aiming at multiple targets, not firing at multiple targets?

I think I see where Kromm is going here.

Enhanced tracking lets you aim at multiple targets. Without this you can only aim at one target at a time at range.

DWA (or nWA) [for ranged attack purposes] lets you fire all your weapons simultaneously at wherever they are currently aimed at; without enhanced tracking this is one target, with enhanced tracking this can be multiple targets.

[Ulzgoroth]

Originally Posted by starslayer

I think I see where Kromm is going here.

Enhanced tracking lets you aim at multiple targets. Without this you can only aim at one target at a time at range.

DWA (or nWA) [for ranged attack purposes] lets you fire all your weapons simultaneously at wherever they are currently aimed at; without enhanced tracking this is one target, with enhanced tracking this can be multiple targets.

You're not required to aim at a target to shoot it, though.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Ulzgoroth

You're not required to aim at a target to shoot it, though.

You aren't required to Aim (GURPS maneuver), you are still required to aim (point the weapon at the target).

[roguebfl]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

You aren't required to Aim (GURPS maneuver), you are still required to aim (point the weapon at the target).

Yep which is you have an attack you can do, Enhance Tracking is only need for the Maneuver.

[vierasmarius]

Originally Posted by roguebfl

Yep which is you have an attack you can do, Enhance Tracking is only need for the Maneuver.

That was my thought as well. After all, you don't need Enhanced Tracking to use Quick Shot against two targets in one second. In the description of ranged Dual-Weapon Attack (Tactical Shooting p44 and Gun Fu p27) it makes no mention of needing Enhanced Tracking, and implies that it can be used against multiple targets the same as melee DWA: "Per p. B417, when both attacks target the same foe, he defends at -1." Of course, realistic characters trained in DWA require an Unusual Training perk, which typically includes the caveat that both attacks must be against the same target. So maybe Enhanced Tracking is for realistic robots or chameleon-like creatures who can aim a pair of guns independently, but isn't needed for cinematic gunslingers?

[Gurps Fan]

Originally Posted by Kromm

Eveything is at -4 for using multiple hands at once. You get one master hand and everything else is at -4 for the off hand.

Sorry, doctor? I was under the impression that the Extra Arms advantage gives (the final number of hands)/2 master hands, not one master hand. I thought that if someone bought Extra Arms 3 and has four hands in total, then he'd get two master hands and two off hands. In fact, I once personally emailed to you to to confirm that this is true, and you answered yes, if I remember correctly.

[Kalzazz]

I to would like clarification on whether Enhanced Tracking is needed for DWA with one handed gun use for normal 2 handed beings, since the description in Gun Fu doesn't seem to indicate this is needed