02-25-2012, 03:38 PM | #11 | |
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Re: Reign of Steel - Will to Live: Are DR values too low?
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I can also tell you that the best portable armor piercer avaialble at tL9 is the 100mm TML doing either 6Dx30(3) or 6Dx10(10) HEAT. Double armor and pentration is baerely possible even when dealing with the best TL9 weaponry. Triple it and a 100mm ETC Tank Cannon won't penetrate. It's your game and you can doa s you like but if you impriove the Jeggernaut's armor as much as you seem to be contemplating you'll make it immune to everything but micro-nukes. Why would the Zoneminds build such a weapon?
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02-25-2012, 03:51 PM | #12 | |
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However, a TL 9-10 cybertank is nonetheless a monster to a TL8 tank-hunter. Not an impervious one, no, but it probably has better situational awareness than an infantryman (not historically a strength of armor), its secondary weapons can trivially kill you (and its primary would simply be gratuitous) while a hit from 26 pounds of special-purpose shoulder-fired smart missile is only likely to hurt it, and its way faster than you are. And that of course is if the tank is operating alone, which is pretty dubious doctrine.
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02-25-2012, 05:45 PM | #13 |
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Re: Reign of Steel - Will to Live: Are DR values too low?
Clearly Infinity needs to start supplying these Javelins to the resistance fighters...
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02-25-2012, 05:45 PM | #14 |
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Re: Reign of Steel - Will to Live: Are DR values too low?
Along with the aforementioned RAP, you could consider giving the tank EMA as well (UT 187). Combined with Laminate armor, this effectively triples its DR vs shaped charges (for a limited number of uses). DR 240 is enough to shrug off the majority of Javelin hits. RAP adds another DR 200 vs shaped charges, raising effective DR to 260. This gives you a tank that's practically immune to HEAT attacks, but can be whittled down with successive hits.
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02-25-2012, 07:27 PM | #15 | |
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The RAP's DR200 v. HEAT is still divided by 10. That only takes 20 pts off of the first 63(10) attack. The remainder of that gets added to the 231 of the second attack to amke up to 273 (10) pts of damage. You need an effective 2730 which even allowing for a 3x of EM+Laminate means you need DR 910 as you base before you add the RAP.
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02-25-2012, 09:05 PM | #16 | |
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02-26-2012, 07:37 AM | #17 | |
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I do see the points raised, though. I think I'll be happy with a combination of reactive armor paste and EMA. These things are designed for inter-AI warfare, and they're designed as tanks - not Ogres. |
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02-26-2012, 07:03 PM | #18 | |
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RAP also screws your Radar stealth, your chamelon layer and probably your IR cloaking to at least some extent unless you put an entire extra layer of those measures on the outside or your RAP. It's in may ways a limited technology. I don't reallu se why you want a threat that is imvulnerable to all TL8 weapons. Funtioning Javelins are not going to be at all common and if you give your PCs a sense of accomplishment every once in a while by letting them blow up a big robot, what's the harm? You're the GM. You can always make more robots.
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02-26-2012, 09:36 PM | #19 | |
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I'm actually skeptical of the rule that the tandem warheads should ever act as one. This style of warhead is specifically designed to counter RAP, yet the rules make it actually more effective if there is no RAP. I'd probably houserule it to always be treated as separate explosives. But either way, a single Javelin would be unlikely to penetrate this warbot if it's reinforced with EMA and RAP. Last edited by vierasmarius; 02-26-2012 at 09:40 PM. |
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02-26-2012, 10:15 PM | #20 |
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Re: Reign of Steel - Will to Live: Are DR values too low?
Er, you surely wouldn't expect the warhead to have more effect against a better protected target.
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