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Re: [heretical] Grayer than usual: Lilith, Dreamshade Elder of Freedom?
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08-10-2011, 07:57 AM | #12 |
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Re: [heretical] Grayer than usual: Lilith, Dreamshade Elder of Freedom?
I agree with robkelk... and who is to say that Adam and Eve were mortal? The Genesis experiment was an attempt at perfection, after all. Just because the Bible happens to say that they died, it does not mean that that's the way it was - or whether they died of natural causes. And indeed, Lilith, according to Legend, continues her existence on the material plane... so I think a corporeal Lilith isn't that far out.
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Re: [heretical] Grayer than usual: Lilith, Dreamshade Elder of Freedom?
Just to fuel ideas... The original INS/MV has no Lilith... but does have Eve, Archangel of Women. If I recall correctly.
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Re: [heretical] Grayer than usual: Lilith, Dreamshade Elder of Freedom?
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Back to the original topic, though: do you think it makes "game sense" for Lilith to end up as the first Dreamshade after her death? Since most ethereals are human creations unaligned with Heaven or Hell...I liked the idea of an ancient human spirit being responsible for other celestials Defecting later on. (Given the Grigori's Dissonance condition, I might have been wrong to make them go first; then again, they're the Choir closest to man and most likely to be tempted by going native!)
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08-15-2011, 09:38 PM | #15 |
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Re: [heretical] Grayer than usual: Lilith, Dreamshade Elder of Freedom?
I did a little searching online. Although she used Catherine as an alias, the Archangel of Women was in fact Eve. She apparently went missing after the Joan of Arc affair in INS/MV, but resurfaced in a later adventure.
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08-16-2011, 05:39 AM | #16 | |
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Very good point--even if she had not accepted semi-demonhood from Lucifer, Lilith still would have done enough evil as a human to get sent Downstairs. :-) If I accept that as "game truth"...then is there a legitimate "primal being" from real-world myth and folklore who could be cast as the inciter of an Ethereal resistance? Even the Fall had its charismatic leader; it stands to reason that someone was behind those first Defections, too.
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08-17-2011, 09:03 AM | #18 |
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Re: [heretical] Grayer than usual: Lilith, Dreamshade Elder of Freedom?
How about Prometheus? Prometheus, to me, always sounded rather like a rogue angel of Gabriel, so maybe he/she threw their lot in with the ethereals?
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08-17-2011, 05:03 PM | #20 |
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Re: [heretical] Grayer than usual: Lilith, Dreamshade Elder of Freedom?
One might also consider Shiva, or another powerful Hindu deity. This may be particularly poignant since they are the only really powerful ethereal entities left in the world, as far as reverence is concerned.
And off topic: What is vanilla IN's stance on the hindu deities? Considering that approximately a sixth of the human population still reveres them, and they apparently weren't touched by the purification crusades, what is their story? |
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