[MA] Finger Lock - what's the point?

[Gold & Appel Inc]

Originally Posted by Ghostdancer

Yeah, learning how to take a beating is about fifty percent of learning how to win in my experience. Most people simply aren't used to pain and it can freak them out and throw them off their game. I've seen extremely well-trained folks get punched in the face and that was it. They were done.

Yeah, if I ever have kids, especially girls, the simple, "getting punched in the face means you fully commit to attack right F-ing now," lesson is going to be central to their training. I learned that stuff the hard way as a fat Boy Scout, and no child of mine is going to. Ignoring pain and going completely MF-ing berserk on the person attacking you is always the best bet for the unskilled combatant.

[Anders]

All-Out Attacks hoping to cause a Major Wound?

[Gold & Appel Inc]

Originally Posted by Anders

All-Out Attacks hoping to cause a Major Wound?

Certainly. Or just to dissuade an attacker that thought they were going against a soft target.

[johndallman]

Originally Posted by Anders

All-Out Attacks hoping to cause a Major Wound?

Fighting someone who doesn't appear to care about being hurt, just about hurting you, rarely seems like a good idea.

[Christopher R. Rice]

Originally Posted by Gold & Appel Inc

Yeah, if I ever have kids, especially girls, the simple, "getting punched in the face means you fully commit to attack right F-ing now," lesson is going to be central to their training. I learned that stuff the hard way as a fat Boy Scout, and no child of mine is going to. Ignoring pain and going completely MF-ing berserk on the person attacking you is always the best bet for the unskilled combatant.

Their dad left them (I have two sisters) when they were 5 and 2 respectively and I dropped out of school to work three jobs so they and my mother wouldn't go hungry. Biologically, they are my sisters and I love them dearly. Mentally, they are my little girls and will be the kids I never have. I've taught them just about everything I can to help them survive over the years: first aid bordering on paramedic training (I've got EMT training), how to fight to win (culled from years of experience), handle and use knives or guns, how to spot a con/pickpocket (a serious issue where we live), what places to stay away from by look, how to memorize details in a crisis, etc. Plus as much book learning as I could shove in their heads. One is on her way to being a nurse and the other (as I said above) is going to be a U.S. Army officer. I consider my loss of a formal education no loss when I look at those two.

[Christopher R. Rice]

Originally Posted by Gold & Appel Inc

Certainly. Or just to dissuade an attacker that thought they were going against a soft target.

Originally Posted by johndallman

Fighting someone who doesn't appear to care about being hurt, just about hurting you, rarely seems like a good idea.

A truer a statement as I've ever heard. I've won more fights pretending not to care about being hurt when I was screaming inside. I got a Phillips head screwdriver shoved to the handle in my shoulder once. I (because I was a idiot hopped up on adrenaline and the belief of his own immortality) ripped it out, tossed it a way, and proceeded to beat the hell out of one of the six guys I'd been jumped by. The rest were so scared that they never thought if they piled on I would have lost. Gotta love public schools.

[Flyndaran]

The Bully And the Crazy Boy was a science fiction story that exemplifies that idea.

[roguebfl]

Originally Posted by Anders

Kreese: Fear does not exist in this dojo, does it?
Karate Class: NO, SENSEI!
Kreese: Pain does not exist in this dojo, does it?
Karate Class: NO, SENSEI!
Kreese: Defeat does not exist in this dojo, does it?
Karate Class: NO, SENSEI!

That's not so bad as long as it not coupled with:

Kreese: What do we study here?
Karate Class: THE WAY OF THE FIST SIR.
Kreese: And what is that way?
Karate Class: STRIKE FIRST. STRIKE HARD. NO MERCY SIR.
Kreese: I can't hear you.
Karate Class: STRIKE FIRST. STRIKE HARD. NO MERCY SIR.

[Tomsdad]

Originally Posted by Ghostdancer

A truer a statement as I've ever heard. I've won more fights pretending not to care about being hurt when I was screaming inside. I got a Phillips head screwdriver shoved to the handle in my shoulder once. I (because I was a idiot hopped up on adrenaline and the belief of his own immortality) ripped it out, tossed it a way, and proceeded to beat the hell out of one of the six guys I'd been jumped by. The rest were so scared that they never thought if they piled on I would have lost. Gotta love public schools.

heh, groups are strangely brave and strangely not all at the same time, they work best with a leader (and a leader works best when they know know their mates will follow them in).

which I guess is a lot of military training in a nutshell!

Also trans-Atlantic language drift is funny here, when you say "public schools" to me it sound like you were jumped by some upper class rugger-buggers* (who incidentally tend to work well in gangs due to training)!


*mods let me know if you need this nixed,

[Gold & Appel Inc]

Originally Posted by roguebfl

Karate Class: STRIKE FIRST. STRIKE HARD. NO MERCY SIR.

Yeah, that first part is actually kind of productive, assuming that you encourage righteous aggression and discourage unfounded aggression. It's presented as an antagonistic position, but (assuming that the other party has already acted antagonistically) is actually in the ethical right here. Karate Kid is kind of jarring for both modern liberals and conservatives but works on its own terms.